Not sure about the rest but this was definitely @LemonSqueezy
Absolutely not.
Canis nerf to AoE started from me, and caused me not little problems especially with TNC players.
I thought first you meant the DCS nerf but I guess you mean the Underdog nerf. I remember distinctly Lemonâs thread where he was frustrated because he couldnât use his fire monsters in the FL. Then there was Lucrayzorâs analysis about Fire being punished too hard just for being Fire.
I think the first Underdog nerf mentions were by @Laxus back in 2019 already. I guess you were vocal about it just before it happened and TNC took their anger to you. But the snowball had already been set rolling.
And even if I wanted to believe you, youâre making it really hard by saying stuff like this. If you did things selflessly for the community, you wouldnât be so eager to claim credit. Therefore if you truly want people to think that you have good intentions, a little humility wouldnât hurt.
I think most of my nerfs have been implemented. Unfortunately, KD didnât make statistics for me
Now I think how to nerf
I didnât want to claim infact, I just did respond with what I remembered on the top of my head.
I didnât do an accurate research over my nerf thread, neither I want to.
I just hate when people want to make my âlook badâ, when I said that my nerfs are been implemented I wasnât meaning âstart a research to prove I am right/wrongâ, I was meaning instead âI have an average good intelligence to understand what mechanics to report if there is an issueâ.
So, as I said before if some major nerfs are been implemented is because I brought up some logic consequences, Devs evaluated, and implemented.
Was not my intention to claim any credit, but is sad how quick are people to contradict me.
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Ok, now you pull out the victim card? Let me get this straight.
First you come in calling Guesswhosbackâs reply BS. Then you claim youâre basically a saint that never does anything for your own benefit. When I told you itâs not always been the case, you specifically ask for examples. I didnât jump on it but later Killerdog did. You contradict yourself by saying people make nerf threads without bias, then say that 90% of people that comment are biased. Where do you pull out these percentages anyway? And now you are somehow the victim?
There was no need for any of this, but you came in with an arrogant attitude, accusing people of things. Itâs natural they will defend and get back to you.
Finally as a friendly tip, if you really want to come across as unselfish, I suggest you re-evaluate your attitude and approach because it will cause people to misunderstand you.
Finally I want to emphasize that civil discussion on the forum is always welcome. Itâs great to see different opinions. I just wish we could keep our egos out of it.
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My favorite part is that DonT calls my âpeople want stuff nerfed because they lose to itâ BS but the reason people donât want stuff nerfed 90 % of the time is âthat they own the monsterâ
Alright 
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Dude I literally went through threads you started to see what they were talking about. Every thread from when you joined the forum up until a year ago (didnât go through the last year because Iâd already done enough looking by that point).
Why are you so stubborn youâll convince yourself I was only looking for the things I wanted to see?? I guarantee you that youâre forgetting all the ideas youâve proposed and mostly remembering the ones which happened.
I was not trying to make you look bad. I wrote some insight into the buff/nerf threads you create and the conversations which happen there (trying to explain why people think youâre heavily bias and you think you are not). You replied by not really taking in what I wrote (probably seeing it as being a negative thing against you, which it was not) then wrote some random bulls**t numbers: â90% people who own a monster donât want it nerfed because they own itâ, âmost of the problems I highlighted they got fixedâ and â90% of the community believe the Devs fix the things I say because my words are powerfulâ. Seeing that, I was very disappointed and I decided to prove you wrong on one of your claims because youâre clearly not listening to me and just talking out of your arse to help yourself disregard my words.
So to be clear: Iâm not coming after you personally, just disappointed that your response to me writing some insight that could even be useful for you to know was to disregard everything.
EDIT: Exu explained the back and forth, with its chronology, better up above.
Okay I did a little research again for you guysâŚ
New Legendary from IC - 13th May 2019, a week before its release. Turns out I was the first perosn on the forum to call a nerf for it, lol I didnât even realise! Although itâs because I misread the passive as giving 0-4* monsters excessive force. I totally called how people were going to use it with assisted AoE too haha. Of course this doesnât count properly though because I misread things.
High speed aoe - July 2019. Laxus made a thread saying he thinks the Cani AoE FL is unbalanced.
weaken the underdog - November 2019. Laxus makes another thread about underdog being too strong, especially for lower ranked players (he is caring about newer players here).
Can we use fire again please? - December 2019. Lemon makes the thread many remember (it has 300+ posts) about Canishogunâs double counter strike.
KDâs Version Update History - February 2020. Canishogun gets its first nerf from release: double counter strike becomes flame eater. Itâs July 2020 where underdog gets nerfed.
For most of 2019 people actually spoke about Canishogun being relatively weak. Not many people saw it as a balance problem at all. Laxus, me, DonT, Lemon and a few other people sometimes talked about it a bit⌠mainly underdog. It was only after the monster had been out for about 6 months that we started seeing lots of threads about it and then it was the early stages of 2020 it was very common in PvP and got lots of attention on the forum.
So DonT was part of the discussions but didnât play any instigating role until much later. He may have been the one really pushing for the Cani AoE FL to be killed off but I didnât look closely at 2020 because thatâs when there was loads of Cani discussion on the forum and tbh since there were lots of people talking about Cani I think itâs hard to pinpoint anything on an individual person.
@DonT89 Please give it all a rest. As Guesswhosback points out, you enjoy making the claims that people nerf the stuff they lose to, donât want their own stuff nerfed and yet contradict yourself immensely by saying threads on the forum are started without bias and whenever someone accuses you of being bias you say you are not at all. If you truly believe itâs 90% of people that speak with their own bias then itâs highly likely youâre also in that 90%. When I first wrote in response to you here I didnât say you were so bias⌠you shouldâve gone along with that!
EDIT: Just want to add that DonT89 while looking through all these posts in research I can confirm youâve said a large number of times that â80-90% of people talk only with bias on the forumâ (or something along those lines). I had no idea how much you said it! Youâve said it mainly when people are disagreeing with you or youâre putting a counterpoint to someone elseâs idea. So tbh you really canât complain about people calling you bias whenever you make a suggestion. Youâve done it loads!
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So KD you should look at my nerf topic. The latest nerf is the fleet.
I am the most nerf topic owner player, and most of them have been realized. This is very interesting. Please give me the crown of T89
Hmm but you made those threads then nothing happened⌠Lemon made a thread and 2 months later the nerf was made.
No crown for you but you can get a little party hat saying ânerf partyâ on it to take home for your participation.
Your Nauticruiser nerf thread is only needed because I made a buff thread and also got the Devs to make tokens come with full speed (so Nauticruiser got a double buff). Does that make me the villain?
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This shows that I am always ahead of others for several months in terms of game balance. If it werenât for the damn translation problem, I think I would do better
I seldom mention nerf now. Maybe itâs just because we donât have novice players anymore. Iâm no longer keen on it. Of course, I wonât let you become a villain
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I concur
Ok I think here things went too far.
I am not here to argue on who is right and who is wrong, this point I would like to be clear to everyone.
I donât understand where is the problem on âthinking for the communityâ, if you guys donât believe, or think I am biased by my own experience, I donât blame you.
Maybe is just the right thing in my mind⌠Possibly.
Many times I came up saying something was not fine, then the community said the opposite.
Iâll make an example: Iâve been pointing the lack of logic behind potent sleep for ages, 50 TU/ 75% chances vs sleep 65 TU/ 50% chances, now this is been debated saying that for example Goldtail was extremely slow and vulnerable, but turns out over time devs decided to nerf.
So even if the community was against this nerf, it happened. Why? Because was logically right to happen.
And this is only one example.
So, maybe you are right, I am biased by my own experience, but I always try to come out with a good reason in my nerf/buff post.
I donât hold grudge to anyone.
Peace guys.
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buff jerbo.
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Goldtail was a very very old monster that was designed entirely for the move potent sleep. It was even too strong just like that and people questioned the logic and balance of the move before you even started playing. However, we all grew to accept it because it was mainly a PvE thing and it was only on one monster. Hence, the general consensus was to leave it how it was⌠until Lemon got the move.
The nerf wasnât to Goldtail specifically, it was because they were rebalancing sleep overall. I alluded to this a number of times in posts and videos. I wonât bother listing all the different things they changed/added but potent sleep was one of the bits they did a pass on and redesigned into something more appropriate. So yeah they did fix the logic but this was never the thing the general consensus of the community was against⌠they just didnât think it was necessary to change Goldtail.
I completely agree things in this thread went too far. However, you really were choosing to engage in it, ask for responses and even now continue to make some random side statements about things where youâve had an opinion and itâs been backed by the Devs. I also want to move on so I wonât write more. However, I hope you can heed what I originally wrote to you whenever youâre writing a buff/nerf/opinion thread and people are calling you bias or something else youâre not happy about:
Good
What isnât good is that you just necroed a thread that had been dead for over a year.
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And for that reason, Iâm out