Indeed, I don’t have cyclophina, the first one to talk about Selene’s nerf was Tavaray, do you think he has Selene awake? However, you did not object to his opinion because you were interested. I think that even if you do not have a monster, you can give your opinion about him. In fact, the majority who ask for Selene’s nerf do not have that mythical awakening. However, those opinions are valid, apparently.
Edit : If you don’t name me I won’t have to write in useless discussions again, it’s quite funny that you say that my opinion is not valid because I don’t have a monster, that’s quite funny, avoid naming me in these types of useless statements
I don’t attack anyone I just stated why you 3 are the only ones obsessed and calling to nerf her every 3 days
I think geoceron was second there so obviously he must be nerfed as soon as possible
That’s the problem lately people can’t accept any legendary dealing damage to mythics , before S+ legendaries used to stand against mythics now the gape is huge , I think mythics should have upper hand but seriously some legendaries should be able to deal some damage lately less than 5 can do that and they are being called to be nerfed every few days here
That’s correct. Whales will still use myths if they can instead of legendaries but Cyclophina is still a top PvP legendary that when facing has to be dealt with over most powerful mythic sweepers and it says a lot.
But to suggest Cyclophina is anywhere near Selene’s power level is absurd. If trading was allowed I would gladly swap my Cyclophina with your Selene, Vixenblade or Tenguko. Would you accept that trade?
Selene will kill 3 enemies within a spam of 136 seconds and then a 4th one for an extra 1 second and.all without any restriction. It’s completely bonkers. Cyclophina can be very tricky to control the numbers sometimes. The opponents are learning how to manipulate the numbers in their favour so sometimes there’s literally nothing you can do to change the fact she will have to use even onslaught. It’s like when you know Penguinator will come in and kill 4 monsters but you are unable to stop him before he makes a move. You are completely overestimating Cyclophina. She is indeed a top Legendary for end game, better than some mythics for sure, but so is Dreadmoth at 5 stars.
What’s the problem of having strong monsters in different classes?
She definitely is, there’s no denying to that, but where do you draw the line on how much power can a legendary have? The top mythics still have way more value than the top legendaries, but some legendaries are better than mythics, same way some SEs are better than some legendaries and even some rocks offer a much better option that many legendaries.
The devs will decide if it is too strong or does not let the players express their opinions like you do, it is very clear that cyclophina is very strong and without weaknesses, let dev work
Oh man, Cyclophina can only kill 3 enemies like that in end game AND IF conditions are met, Moku can kill 4 and also has a buff
You can express your opinion, just don’t put words in my mouth.
Run her in fl with a deus if people cant handle her immidietly and you know your math she gonna kill of 8-9 monsters before the enemy knows whats going on definetly comparable to selene and rhine in raw power aslong as you dident fail math in school
in the final game? Do you know Fibonacci numbers? Do you know odd numbers? I see that to use all her skills you don’t need to be at the end of the team, If she was only strong in the end game the players would not be using her in this special rule, please check her skills
I’m currently running her and I guarantee you can’t use all those skills just like that unless you are playing PVE. Opponents can also do math. There are monsters with entrances, revenges, summons, you are not only playing Cyclophina against a bot. You have 8 monsters on the field that can alter the numbers way too much for you to keep track that easily. As I said, sometimes you don’t have a choice to manipulate the numbers before her turn.
That never happened against me and I was also never able to achieve that many kills because of cyclophina in FL. Now if you are suggesting that pairing her with certain mythics might have that effect, that could be the case, but probably because the other monsters will get at least 6 of those 8 kills. There are just too many variables, pairing her with Deus might be OP, but not to the point where top players can bother running the strategy because it’s basically impossible to control the numbers every single turn.
I am saying to pair her with 1 passive not a bunch of opressive mythics. Im even saying to pair her with probably the most underated mythic in neo. Its called comboing. And you dont need to controll numbers every single turn when you relise that almost every other kill she has a prisem or square eraser charged. So all you have to do is controll the field.
PS: maskid also got skip ban so the poor mans fl is also possible
PPS: I never said it was the best fl in neo and that all top players should run it. I am pointing out the FACT that she is definetly not only useful in eg
Yeah, I get that. Just replying to what you said more as a strategy conversation rather than focusing on the nerf aspect.
Since all prime numbers are odd aside from 2, you might as well always aim for an odd number regardless.
If I’m not mistaken, the only exceptions for even numbers that work for her are: 2, 4, 8 and 16
I just think that when you get her placed at the end and you have less than 9 monsters overall she will just destroy everything without much thinking. Anywhere else she is good, but given the option (which we don’t have in the current rule) I personally would always use her in the end, I don’t think you would benefit more from running her in FL. Then again, I don’t have a huge collection of mythics, so for me she is my best option for end game and I still think that even with my small collection I have better options than her for FL.
I could not care less about which monsters is buffed or nerfed as it wont affect me in any real way
But what annoys me is how people defend whats obviously oppressive in their own right based upon facts as “it does not work for the 2 weeks this rule exsisted” or “its not a mythic so leave my F2P monster alone”
Thats not how you balance anything or create a healthy discussion at all
Selene is broken and needs tweaking
Keiser is oppressive with the instant pullback mechanic
Persphia should not have sleep immunity but inosimania
Sepheris should have a restruction on her SS
Isoldelle should not be triggred by allies, or get second form treatment if done so it kills everything
Math girl should loose her revenge negation on atleast one of her moves
There is a bunch of things to talk about. But its never brought up in a constructive or healthy manner so devs dont listen and do their own tweaks which is more likily to entierly kill of ??? Just look at what happend to redybug the probably the only monster that made reptiles playable in high tiers of pvp
But whatever i have said my piece i dont care enough to continue. Have a good day sir
The trick is not to know every single number, but to know odd + even = odd.
As long as you simply try to get every odd breaker move lined up, she succeeds.
And it really is easier than you think.
Guaranteed 8 for 4+4 on field
Reinforcements can be 1 to 99 for all I care, as long as one is odd and the other is even, she can use odd breaker. It’s really not that hard to line up.
And here’s my piece about Cyclophina and Selene
Cyclophina - guaranteed kills every 85 tu with potential for at least 1 faster kill (if you manage to know odd + even rule apparently)
Selene - kills guaranteed every 136 with potential for at least 1 faster kill(piercing move), but is easier to line up than Cyclophina.
Selene, however suffers from success. At the moment she is killing so quickly that she might kill herself because a move is locked, and an entrance or revenge is triggered that heavily sways the match in the opp’s favour. Her moves being so low tu means skipping with her is more risky than just using the move that may not kill at all to use new moon sooner and get off hg.
, enjoy from now her nerf
