Sanguithor (Poll and Discussion)

[Coltraz]

The one thing I completely don’t get is the revenge on its own teammates. Maybe someone has the reason for that.

On the other hand, this mythic is extremely flexible with what it can do.

[Coltraz]

@Coltraz

Sanguithor looks terrible on paper, but once you actually own it and start testing it in PvP, it feels like a completely different monster.

The biggest reason is Heart of the Team. Unrestricted untargetable with no condition is an insanely powerful passive. From the start of the match, the opponent has fewer valid targets, and that alone can be used as a strategy. You can force them into hitting revenge monsters, awkward targets, or units they do not want to touch yet. It creates passive pressure before Sanguithor even gets a turn.

When it does get a turn, the kit is surprisingly flexible. You can slash all enemies, instantly kill one target, seal one enemy for 300 seconds, or reduce one monster to 1 HP. All of those effects are powerful, even if the TU is very high. It is not a fast monster, but each turn can completely change the state of the match.

The element and type are also much better than they first look. Being Fire and Dragon gives it strong synergy with Emberelle, helping her maintain Death Immunity more consistently. It can also work with monsters like Stellaurum, keeping the shield protected for a very long time, and Azida can benefit from similar positioning.

The one part I still do not fully understand is the revenge passive. Asystole hitting your own allies feels awkward and unnecessarily punishing. Maybe there is a deeper combo reason for it, but right now it feels like the one part of the kit that works against the monster rather than supporting it.

Its very low speed is not necessarily a bad thing either. At 25 percent speed, Sanguithor becomes a great candidate for setups with Mortilys or Giehretus, where slower monsters can be manipulated into much stronger positions.

After playing a good amount of PvP with it, I actually do not think it needs lower TU or direct skill buffs. The high TU makes sense because the effects are very strong when they land. What I would change is the Secret Skill, because Haemorrhage does not feel worth turning on most of the time. I would also reconsider the revenge passive and replace it with something that supports the kit better. Personally, I would love to see Camouflage there.

Stat wise, it has great HP and very high attack, while the defense is average and the speed is intentionally low. That stat spread fits the concept well. It is built to sit on the field, restrict targeting, and punish the opponent when it finally moves.

Design wise, this is top tier. Probably top three among non waifu mythics for me. The red dragon look is amazing and the whole heart themed concept is one of the coolest monster designs they have released.

Overall, Sanguithor is not a plug and play meta monster, but it is much stronger than it looks at first glance. Untargetable with no condition is too powerful to ignore, and in the right setup it can become a very annoying match control piece.

Current Placement: Collection Fillers until they change the Secret Skill and remove or rework that unnecessary revenge passive.

[BVN_03]

Its based on concept of Heart…so when heart stops beating …the body stops functioning.

I think it’s based on similar concept …when it dies…it’s slowing down your team.

[Cesar]

Coltraz said no buff was necessary for him @Dev_VKC

[Coltraz]

I literally said what I wish to be changed.

[Exu]

He literally evaluated it as “collection filler” which it is.

[phongt324]

one of cheapest mythic i got so far, and yeah just like other said, simply bad XD

[GMagic]

Guy tries so hard to pick fights that he doesn’t even read

[Kokkoro_Natsume]

Cursed design (i know it’s realistic, but wtf?!)

Weird moveset and abilities like what drugs are the devs on?!?!

[Wod_Deathstriker]

The moveset is like without a buff it’s weak or moderate , with buff it’s extremely good with seal.

[Killerdog]

Tier list change log

New Additions Update [Sanguithor] Sanguithor goes in at C for PvE, F for PvP, second form tier 3 and D for HP boost With an incredibly powerful passive that makes it impossible to target they had to go very tame with the moveset. I believe they went too tame, but also am scared that any buff could easily make this monster a big problem. High seconds on all the moves is what keeps it in check. So even after a 40% accelerate, it’s still slower at sweeping/controlling than top tier monsters. Thi…

I didn’t bother writing all my thoughts on it but I already posted a few times in this thread. Since writing those comments I’ve tried it a bunch in PvE and found everything I expected to be true. It’s such a coin toss even in the most ideal PvE scenarios and it’s felt very underpowered. It takes about 500s to get properly going which is kind of ridiculous

[Coltraz]

You don’t want to play PvP after they overbuff it, and those Emberelle teams will be totally unbeatable.

F tier for anything is kind of nuts when we have Kunomi, who apparently has 7 stars for some reason.

[Killerdog]

Emberelle isn’t even much of a threat without a fire bird? The damage on entrance is annoying but there are other things I fear way more than that pairing.

@Coltraz

F tier for anything is kind of nuts when we have Kunomi

Yeah, other F tiers exist. I haven’t updated the tier list with some of the shuffling where I’m putting her and others down.

How much it’s outclassed by alternatives is part of what I’m factoring into the F tier, if I hadn’t made that clear enough.

[Coltraz]

You do understand there is more to Emberelle than just her bird union sweep? It’s all about keeping her death immunity going and managing respawns—similar to Astra and Melusine, who work in a similar fashion.

[Killerdog]

Death immunity and “managing respawns” doesn’t sound proactive or like she’s a threat. You’re not really selling it enough there

[Coltraz]

I will rush my PvP clips video so people can see a nice simulation of how a lower TU Sanguithor with an Emberelle team moves around.

[Exu]

At least Kunomi has some unique synergies. This time I can actually speak about this since I have the awakened version.

An unrestricted poison storm entrance which is great for a quick Maggatoid sweep etc. Used that to my advantage in Time Attack. And she can combo with Harleking too, maybe with Goliatherion. Far from useless.

It’s one of those monsters that on paper looks fine but the lack of piercing means that it doesn’t ride the power creep wave so it’s underwhelming for today’s standards.

[Kirisune]

Remember when ‘piercing’ used to be poison laced attacks/auto poison?

[The_bondqueror]

Omega’s dragon’s age’s

[Unown]

Th’e bondquero’r