Can we talk about how oppressive poison has become

[Professor_Oak]

@DMGInterference

Let’s start with the fact I despise Glaciaron: that said, Glaciaron is the only one who can counter those FLs properly, because he can kill Freezecobra and Polaboss immediately after (thanks to the Toxic Entrance).

This is exactly why glacirion should remain as it is now. It is padri , times up food after it attacks once or twice .

[DevilsMisfortune]

@DMGInterference

Regardless of his rarity, it’s not unreasonable to apply some changes to him to make the combo less effective.

If you want to hurt the combo, hurt the combo.

Nerf Freezecobra out of viability and the entire strategy takes a dive. He’s the only monster that brings support to poison with both stun protection and Autopoison. I used him as the poster boy for my poison tier list for a reason.

[NoelLemon2]

Guys gorgo is the only real problem here please. If you want to counter freeze cobra and polaboi, just play ice unicorn. Gorgo with 50 TU (42 awakened) double poison eater is redicilous, not even counting the fact that it will punish you if you kilö him since he has DR.

[DevilsMisfortune]

@DevilsMisfortune

Nerf Gorgodrake and people will run Scorpiogeist.

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[RISE_Alex]

Lmao really bro?
That thing is abused with other bypassing monsters and RAW monster,i never saw someone using it with stealth

[DevilsMisfortune]

I have.

[RISE_Alex]

You only use poison

[DevilsMisfortune]

So?

[DMGInterference]

What do you think about this: giving him SOLO Detox Strike. He won’t work anymore along Polaboss for a joint Detox Blast and will be forced to use Poisoned Burst if you decide to run Atlantyrant, but will be better everywhere else. I don’t think this would even be considered a nerf.

@RISE_Alex

i never saw someone using it with stealth

@NMEGaryOak

[Exu]

@DevilsMisfortune

My point is that you shouldn’t be able to.

Why not?

[DRACARYS]

What I think is that more monsters should change their skills from “mist” to “purifying mist”

[DevilsMisfortune]

@DMGInterference

What do you think about this: giving him SOLO Detox Strike. He won’t work anymore along Polaboss for a joint Detox Blast and will be forced to use Poisoned Burst if you decide to run Atlantyrant, but will be better everywhere else. I don’t think this would even be considered a nerf.

Give it a tu reduction with SOLO and sure, but then again he’s also the most important piece in Link Water Poison, which I’d like to see grow one day.

Why not just nerf Toxic Entrance? The combo would be taken down for good this way instead of just making it less reliable by taking out Polaboss. Plus remember that I could still pull it off with Asmodia, and I’m sure with more monsters coming out, others will too with time, and we’d find ourselves in the same situation once more.

@Exu

Why not?

It’s a permanent 3v4.

[LemonSqueezy]

Yeah stealth all is useless compared to purifying mist.

[RISE_Alex]

Oops, sorry
Totally forgot our champ

[DMGInterference]

@DevilsMisfortune

Link Water Poison, which I’d like to see grow one day.

I’m afraid of this possibility

@DevilsMisfortune

Why not just nerf Toxic Entrance

I am in favour of that too. Still I’d like to mistreat the serpentine enemy in every way possible

[NMEGaryOak]

Are you really losing to stealth teams while you’re running a poison team @DevilsMisfortune ?

[Killerdog]

Out of all the possible nerfs to poison, I reckon making all versions of toxic entrance need 100s from start of battle to trigger is the nicest one. 100s isn’t long at all because we already have 30s+ passed by the first monster’s turn. All it will do is disable fast poison FL combos. We don’t need toxic entrance to counter OoO any more.

That said, it should only be done if these fast poison FL combos become too dominant in the meta and have high win rate. If they are simply one of the many good teams out there we don’t need any changes.

[NoelLemon2]

I still think gorgo’s ability to double sweep with 42 TU is way too strong. Don’t you agree?

[Killerdog]

I don’t really like any 50TU one-shot skills… I would much rather things be 70TU. Gorgodrake is an S+ mythic by my assessment. “Too strong” could be applied to a bunch of the top mythics and legendaries

[Exu]

@DevilsMisfortune

It’s a permanent 3v4.

It’s hardly permanent. Many monsters can come in and deal with it. I get your point though.