Can we talk about how oppressive poison has become

nah,this is happen if player not run poison prottection like purify and poison imunity.

Let’s start with the fact I despise Glaciaron: that said, Glaciaron is the only one who can counter those FLs properly, because he can kill Freezecobra and Polaboss immediately after (thanks to the Toxic Entrance).

Scarleguard can only kill either Polaboss or Freezecobra (pro tip: always go for Freezecobra) while Padrinorca is too slow and inevitably gets OHKOed by either of the Detox Strikes.

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Ok. Valid point. But let me come back with this.

How do either of those stop detox blast or detox strike?

Also, If Chromera gets attacked by Scorp’s double poison eater and the other monster is poisoned, will it survive? No. And others won’t either. So is it then viable to have a whole poison immune team?

I’m not saying poison needs a nerf by any stretch, I’m just saying that the players who opened the thread may have a valid point.

#BUFFSTEALTH

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Detox blast deal big damage but not OHK monster + monster with that skill is low speed.another toxic killer can kill them + we have some camouflage strategy FL.The problem is on fast detoxstrike monster

And why you left scorpiogeist if you have chronomera. :sweat_smile:

And toxic strategy from crismond need 4 specific monster
polaboss,gorgowing,freezecobra,titan/ shiny cyclozar and toxic entrance monster (nectareon/banedragon).

True, that can happen. But at the same time, the player could simply kill the rock with Backstab/Cannibalize.

True Hit and RAW can’t be used with protectors, meaning they can’t be used with Skeleviathan (at least not witthout sacrificing consistency). Stealth doesn’t care.

Honestly if they change Skeleviathan’s revenge to DR or PR then I’m cool.

I agree. If you plan to run a stealth team right now you should always bring some Purifying Stealth along for the ride, but then… why?!

Stealth already requires set-up itself, is the extra step really needed? Stealth monsters could lose a few of those poison immunitiees if poison tick themselves stop removing stealth, but besides that I think it would push diversity in the meta, which is never a bad thing.

It’s already a 3v4 (2v4 you run support). Getting turns is not easy in those situations, especially if you plan on ā€œwastingā€ them on a backstab.

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It gets better - unless it got tweaked in some recent update, Freezecobra’s Detox Strike deals inflated damage! Despite his standard defence statline, he manages to Detox with boosted damage AND 89% speed, along with his best buddy Polaboss at 82% speed. Not cool.

If the Devs put both their speeds to 1% we can call it a deal :sunglasses:

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Does running him in 5th position work against the strategy?

Pretty sure that’s not true anymore. Now every monster deals as much as Freezecobra always did with Detox Strike as far as I know. @Killerdog correct me if I’m wrong.

Also can you stop your crusade against Freezecobra? He’s not the problem and very much essential to poison as a whole.

Maybe but not longer

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hey,Damage from Detox strike cobra < poison burst if your ally full poisoned :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, counters are plenty, but that’s not the issue.

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Change the Chromera example to any other toxic killer then :man_facepalming:t2:

Ohh, I thought you meant the other way around. Well I wouldn’t consider a rockoid a very ā€œpermanentā€ dead weight. It’s definitely a very rare occurrence a team can fully exploit that situation.

Agree. The team has to build its entire strategy for it as per my rock lock team 2 seasons ago

stop it… stop asking for a nerf on another playable SE…

But this monster,s skills is so rubbish, it will perch your place,It would be better if he had strong skills

You’d have to build around it obviously. My point is that you shouldn’t be able to.

Only when Arborgias gets buffed. Until then, I’ll try to drag the other 5ā˜… to his level.

I mean Alolan Arbok is perfect outside of that combo, he fits in S+ without being OP, just reasonably strong.
But if they don’t put a 50sec restriction on Toxic Entrance, then the only way to make that combo less powerful would be to fix the most problematic monster of the combo. He’s the first one to one-shot strike, provides Stun protection, can re-activate Detox and ensures all enemies entering the field are poisoned.
Regardless of his rarity, it’s not unreasonable to apply some changes to him to make the combo less effective.

The only thing that can stop me on my holy war against Freezecobra is me hatching one. Until then, I’ll never yield against the slithering frosty.