⏬ Which monsters need a Nerf?

Dear exu your thought on this ?

Just a friendly banter nothing more but since exu argue baseless point I have to give him some good replies.

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I already covered that on the ALYCE thread.

Trust me I wish it was trivial, but I’ve seen too many threads end up as a F2P vs P2W debate which is completely unnecessary. Another way to deal with this would be to simply delete all comments that contain those two terms (I would prefer to do that), what do you think?

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The word :money_with_wings: is banned on forum already, why not just ban the words F2P and P2W to and be done with it,

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Of course, this discussion is not going to lead anywhere. Some time ago, there was a debate in my clan about this topic. The person who resolved it used a term related to the game, something like “pay to accelerate,” but if you don’t pay, it will be very difficult to obtain it. Still, this discussion isn’t for me; there are only a few things that are truly free-to-play without needing to accelerate with real mo ney . If you want to delete all these previous comments, you’ll be doing well because this thread isn’t for these topics. However, if you delete them, future discussions on the subject will likely be larger.

@Exu about this

Tbf that word is banned for bot reasons so banning F2P and P2W just because one person is being annoying is unreasonable

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Its not unresonable when its a recurring issue that happends every time something is nerfed or a new power crept release happends.

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Charybdia: OP mythic is released on anniversary and is nerfed shortly after, deservingly. It has nothing to do with who paid for it and who didn’t. Both parties were upset and it’s not something that exclusively benefits the other side.

Bridalith: It’s an enabler that’s not too strong by itself but can be annoying when paired with other strong monsters. So it’s clear why it wasn’t nerfed yet. The passives can also be nullified completely by Bastia and Bridalith is useless without them. Nophiam was overall a strong monster on release that was made even stronger by Bridalith. Many people predicted that it will receive a nerf. Devs decided to fix that particular issue by tweaking Nophiam which seems to have worked. Players could also return Nophiam to receive their tickets back if they were unhappy. It was fair for everyone.

Besides, Bridalith’s been out for 2 years now which means that many non spenders will have awakened her by now (which by the definitions proposed on this thread means that it’s a F2P mythic?) and will also be upset if she were nerfed.

Bridalith has been in the game for two years, and while she is aggressive, she hasn’t been that aggressive, at least not to the point where many were asking for a nerf, until Nophiam showed up.

In my opinion, it would be strange to nerf a two-year-old monster instead of addressing the core problem. If we went that route, it might’ve been Satomi who got nerfed after her.

Another important point: if we nerf Nophiam, we can return all the tickets. That wouldn’t be the case for Bridalith.

By the way, Bridalith has been around for two years… shouldn’t she already qualify as a F2P Mythic?

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I understand your opinion, the issue is that some old skills were not so bad in the past, considering the meta at the time, but with some of the new releases they make a massive impact. Nagandia’s Daunt+ used at FL at a 60% speed with no restriction is completely insane. With new mythics TU being so low, that should be reviewed. Charybdia was considered OP for knocking back 2 enemies at 80%, how is Daunt+ ‘stunning’ 4 enemies for 80 seconds okay?

Last ranked I played for the monster reward and it was such an unpleasant experience. Either you get half your team wiped out before you can make a move or you have to play each battle for 15 minutes because of so many reviving skills.

Yeah Daunt+ needs a “100 second since the start of the battle” restriction. There is a reason she has an entrance passive so she is not abused in the FL.

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Ohh yeah tq for clarification. I am gonna awaken her. This is the reply I want unlike exu baseless point. Vkc is gigachad .
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I agree, this daunt with no restrictions is too strong, if i had to pick 1 out of the 4 i mentioned to nerf this would be the most logical one. That 80s free stun is enough to eliminate 2 and setup for sleep/stun for free which is currently being abused at this moment

Yeah, I understand. But don’t you think it’s actually a great thing for players, especially F2P, that older Mythics can still make an impact in the current meta?

I believe 99% of users agree that awakening a Mythic is a big commitment. We’ve been doing our best to make sure the value of older Mythics doesn’t depreciate “too much” over time.

If you look at the update history, you’ll see that we consistently buff old Mythics and avoid nerfing them unless it’s absolutely necessary, like in the case of Nightingale. Bridalith definitely isn’t at that point, and I’m not sure if Nagandia has reached it either.

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Agree agree :face_blowing_a_kiss::face_blowing_a_kiss: but kuaraomi buff was microscopic. Only for decoration.

Where was this energy for Mechangelion when he was a pve unit anyway? The healing might’ve been bugged but you could’ve buffed to where it was to keep the functionality but you had to nerf it