It was even worse in November-December crystal…it was a lot rarer…but there were next to no things that could defend against it,and since it was so rare,people wouldn’t prepare for it.Any Charca/Stego user would easily dominate pvp,with other teams not standing a chance.At least in February people would prepare more,and there were more OM arks to counter it.
I didn’t play then and didn’t want to speculate, but I do see why that’d be the case, Mozzy.
I do undervalue Stego, because I value it as worthless, in my opinion. Unless you’re going to base a lineup around Stego, you have no business using it. If you don’t have the haster/Stego/damage ark, then it gets off (USUALLY) a single stun before it dies, if you know what you’re doing and anticipate someone using it anyways. Otherwise it’ll get off two, but needless to say, two stuns aren’t game changer when you get to kill Stego and it doesn’t even damage you.
Stego is an ark with a sole purpose of stunning you. It has no capability to kill your arks. Therefore, it’s really a free kill IF you know how to play the TU and always make sure you have an ark going before your opponent when the next ark comes in after a kill. It’s fairly simple to do so.
I can see where for those of you who don’t pay massive amounts of attention to TU would struggle with this. If you just try to take down the strongest ark or whatever, then of course Stego will be a problem. But that’s not how you’re going to win. PvP is ALL about the TU and in order to win, you need to keep your eyes on it with every turn – yours and your opponent’s. I rarely, if ever, had a Stego switch in (on a non-stun team, that is) before my next ark’s turn because its speed is abysmal and I make sure my arks are always next before an opponent’s new ark.
As for stun teams, they aren’t that hard to anticipate anymore. They’ll start with a Vortexor/SS/possibly another stunner, decoy, or haster/randomly some other self sacrificing ark. If you keep your scrambler in your first three, that’s already a bad idea. I think my chopper was kept at 5th, simply for that reason, and because it worked well there. Even then, if you get to go before them with your own Vortexor, banish and then if you see stunners, kill the flash bombers ONLY, or a haster if it pops up (except Raioh). If you see a pegasion, kill that, too. Chances are that they’re planning to send back their own arks to set up the stun and use his relatively weak aoe for stun gifters. While all of this is purely situational, it’s also easy to figure out counters to any team relying on Stego. Heck, I used to run a roidguard/Stego/grem team just to stun people and see how many drones I could summon (and ultimately quit thereafter one of the three died, because I don’t like winning with cheap-butt strategies; I think the most I got was 104).
I still don’t see stego as a problem. Endless stunning is the problem.
If there was a cap the problem would be solved. I don’t see stego as more an advantage than using SS to scapegoat an ark with stun skin.
That’s where most of the times you get caught up in an endless stun and won’t make a move for the rest of the game.
Even if SS is not there, there are still players like Dosoguri who will just stun you forever and there is no way out unless you build your team to fight only this strategy.
Stego on its own will stun a couple of arks but you will have plenty of chances of killing it. I used it as a backup, sometimes I can use a bit of stun, sometimes it comes in and dies without making a single move.
I repeat, those of you complaining are basically talking about stun lock and stego is just one of the tools for it to work. The fact you can be stunned past 350 TUs is the biggest issue in my opinion.
Nerfing only stego will not solve the problem as once your arks TU is 800+ you will still suffer.
Rather than nerfing any ark, just increase Charca’s attack TU to 200 and introduce a cap to the max TU.
Nothing to do with knowing/playing for TU.
You need to be able to have a move in order for that to happen, when people use charc/stego/gremy that’s not gonna happen! They’re all basted, charc can kill anything in one turn cus you couldn’t attack cus you were permastunned. Grem uses knock back whenever your ark is about to go, stego keeps you permastunned. I wouldn’t normally have started this topic, but I played 3 seperate players and they all used the same strategy with slightly different arks.
It is a joke when you get permastunned, and it shouldn’t happen, therefore whether you like it or not, stego is op, I feel the nerf has been spoken about for some time and don’t feel like it’s gonna come too, that’s why I, for the most part just wanted to get it off my chest.
The devs already said in January: " update is in final stage, waiting for approval from apple". It will not be the first time they are lying.
I agree, this is getting absolutely ridiculous and I’m tired of people defending them saying they can’t do a simple nerf because they’re busy, or because they “messed up” there’s been so much time for a simple nerf it’s not even funny
^^^^^ predominantly the reason I started the post in the first place
Here’s my nerf for Stegospike:
9.5 Stars
Stun Skin: on death 100% chance to target all enemy arks with 120TU stun
Lightning: Same as before
Survivor: 100% per 100TU spend in battle. Deals 759-928 Physical Damage (Air) TU: 130
Guardian: Taunts enemies making them more likely to attack this target Duration: 500. TU: 100
Stats:
Life: 1700
Attack: 800
Magic: 800
Speed: 16
Defense: 1500
Resist: 1500
So say what you like about my changes. What I did was I aimed to make him more TANKY and a bit more dangerous of an attacker. I replaced the electrocute and payback with Survivor and Stunskin. Air Arks are not that tanky in general, perhaps this could be as close to a tank as they get. The survivor combined with the tank ability ensures that this will be a long term threat if kept in play long enough. So the ark will be playable now for different reasons; a great support ark for Vortexor.
Alright guys
Here’s the 312 (yes, I screwed with the reference on purpose)
An update is coming (not the full update this game needs but a big enough one to justify it) within the next few weeks once the approval gets through
It’ll include a nerf of Stego, along with some other serious patches that need to be put in
They’ve stated that the way this game is built makes it difficult for updates, which they’re fixing in the next full update AND the next game
Also, the definition of lying or the true form, a lie:
An intentionally false statement
No one has been told lies. The closest thing to a lie told on this forum is how the Devs don’t care. And it’s misinformation like that that causes the problems we have. This needs to stop. I’m sorry you guys feel unloved and the Devs communication skills are weak at the best of times.
I’m really, REALLY not in the mood to fight down more unnecessary rumors about how the update isn’t coming, the Devs are lazy/don’t care, etc.
Stop it.
This time is for real?
About as real as it gets
Lars or Ryan mentioned it within the last few weeks but they’re having problems getting it approved
EDIT: btw, each time has HONESTLY been real, so don’t be a doofus
Not trying to be negative here.
But isn’t it the exact same thing they told us end of last year (more than half a year ago)?
This one I can actually guarantee will be happening
I don’t know an exact ETA.
This one isn’t a full update that I think we would all prefer but it’ll have to do for the moment.
Also, things can change on a dime
You all should know this happens, especially in real life
One more point: the biggest issue they have hands down is communication. We all know this.
Again, I start seeing stupid rumors about any of the other reasons above, I will be VERY unhappy with each of you
Make that even earlier… I’m very sure they once mentioned in the chat in end Nov/ early Feb last year about the same thing.
I got my Kami end of the year and this update thing was already talked weeks before that…
There’s a difference between lying and things changing.
Things change
Seriously people, are we going to keep doing this stupid dance? In the case of this game, we’ll just have to wait.
Go do something else you’re waiting for the update.
I wasn’t joking when I said I wasn’t in the mood.
meh, thats better than nothing. As long as stego gets nerfed…I’ll be okay either way.
In this situation, the difference would have been to keep us informed, which in this situation was not the case. So, call it as you want.
I remember a quick conversation I had with Kooka, April 26, where he assured me the output of the update within a month to the day…
^^ I instantly thought “this is sparta” I don’t know why haha
Im sure reset was just assuming things.Anyways,I do not think the mods here would lie about these things,as they are moderators for a reason,and are trusted members of the community.I agree the update is later then it should be,but thats not our problem.Deal with it.The devs arent lying,and neither are the mods,theyre just trying to do their job,as I’m sure the update will come soon.I especially know reset wouldn’t lie about such a thing,having known him for 9-10 months.
To be honest, the mods pass along what information is given to them, if even given to them. Otherwise, they repeat what the devs say. Whether or not it’s always “correct” is a different discussion, but it is not the mods to blame.
Other than that, yes, the update should have come out some time ago. What’s holding them up? We don’t know. There’s no need for bitterness because of it. We all know it’s late. This discussion is way, way too repetitive to have again. 