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I don’t but I do think the players should be given a choice. No one is forcing anyone to use the same monsters or even compete for that matter. You yourself don’t use that many duplicates and have gotten ridiculously far in the Infinite Dungeon (And yes I know you have unreleased arks but even so) so that serves as proof that you don’t need a frillzeon team to get far. You may need good monsters and a good strategy but isn’t that the point? A frillzeon team is a strategy albeit one that doesn’t require much thinking and I myself don’t find it fun.

However, as I said this is a single player oriented RPG (literally meaning role playing game) if you want to role play your hunter to have duplicate arks as MANY of the NPC’s do then who am I to say no? I assume the majority of players (including myself) don’t really want to get 1000’s of floors deep into the infinite dungeon. The infinite dungeon unlike PvP (which absolutely needs limitations) in no way affects other players besides a top spot on the leaderboards. It is still part of the single player story so I say let people use what they wish.

This is simply my opinion. If many others and the devs wish to limit duplicates then I will accept that. 

Now I respect your opinion and I agree to disagree on the topic but please don’t insinuate that I think it’s okay to force anyone to do anything they don’t want to. I tried my best to keep my response civil (I even backed you up because I know you play fairly) and I, like any other, am entitled to my opinion.

With that being said thank you :slight_smile: I know we all just want what’s best for the game so I’ll leave it at that.

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i also believe that player should have a choice, but again if there choice was to duplicate monsters , then there choice is definitely going to affect other player in OM, so im against duplicating monsters  

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I’m fine with no limit on duplicates when it truly is single player. However, missions and the infinite dungeon are not single player in the sense of there being competition to get prizes and competition through leaderboards.

In these places, I think it should be limited. 

Beyond this, I don’t think there “needs” to be any restrictions. 

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Very heated argument. Not sure if it should be able to be viewed by everyone.

I do support some points by First Snow & by Ashley.

Team of Frillzeons don’t guarantee anything in Infinity dungeon. Destructor’s dragon bane + a few BA’s have killed all of my frillzeons in one of my playthrough and I remember I was still 30 floors away from my next waypoint. Strategy was still required for me to keep going.

To clear things up I don’t have 20 30 40 50 frillzeons. People on top of the leaderboards don’t just solely rely on this strategy. If this is our only strategy, fighting 1 boss alone can kill all of your frillz & what are you gonna do?

If there’s this cap, I can guarantee no one can get over 50 floors without going back to town. Fighting 5 battles each floor, 5-9 level 99s, all 6 stars above, with a boss every 10 floors that are absolutely very good with their BA’s.

I was able to get to level 210 without any egg exclusive arks, but I had to go back every 10-20ish floors as my arks were mostly dead before the next boss, most after fighting 2 bosses. Even then I had like 8 halopards to keep my omega alive.

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I was going to give up on this debate, but OK let’s continue.

I am not touching the infinite dungeon, so I will only focus on OM.

Reason for putting a limit on duplicates? Because some players don’t have Frillzeon/don’t want to use duplicates, a limit should be put on duplicates so that these players can remain competitive in OM. Let me know if I got this wrong.

Yes people have 3 Frillzeons have an advantage. But it is not duplicates that we should blame, it is egg timing. As I said before, people with many Frillzeons are timers, and smart timers don’t join OM. Getting the reward from the mission eggs is much quicker. This also helps them to stay in pool B.

Other than Frillzeons, please let me know how duplicates can provide an unfair advantage. If we think Frillzeon is overpowered, just nerf it.

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^^^^^

daah

the ID meant to be this way

even after the egg timing issue being fixed in the next update, egg timers would still have their 3 Frillzeons to go for OM 

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Taijid, it is very impressive that you can get to 210 without any egg exclusive Arks!

But imagine there is a cap on duplicates, you can’t use your 8 halopads, will that affect your progress significantly?

I agree with you that with duplicates limit on, people won’t get very far in the infinite dungeon.

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I also don’t think we should be restricted from discussing things like this. No one insulted anyone, and this is not a rude debate. This is simply a discussion discussing how the game should progress. 

Without discussions like this, these issues don’t come out and get talked about.

“Team of Frillzeons don’t guarantee anything in Infinity dungeon. Destructor’s dragon bane + a few BA’s have killed all of my frillzeons in one of my playthrough and I remember I was still 30 floors away from my next waypoint. Strategy was still required for me to keep going.”

I believe you, but when you talk about large amounts of Frillzeons, things change. I see someone has gotten well past floor 1000 thanks to Frillzeon teams (and add to it that fire Ocarina, shall we?) 

“To clear things up I don’t have 20 30 40 50 frillzeons. People on top of the leaderboards don’t just solely rely on this strategy. If this is our only strategy, fighting 1 boss alone can kill all of your frillz & what are you gonna do?”

You don’t have to fight the bosses. (Maybe that’s a good idea, require the bosses be fought.)

“If there’s this cap, I can guarantee no one can get over 50 floors without going back to town. Fighting 5 battles each floor, 5-9 level 99s, all 6 stars above, with a boss every 10 floors that are absolutely very good with their BA’s.”

Not true, I made it to past floor 200 before I had any of the unreleased ones. And that was with using only ONE of each in my team, not even two. 

Someone else (Aethin) had gotten past 300 in this way.

Did you know the developers didn’t intend for anyone to get past floor 200-300? 

“I am not touching the infinite dungeon, so I can’t care less. I will only focus on OM.”

Well, the infinite dungeon is part of the game. And many people do care about it. So we should definitely include that as well.

“Reason for putting a limit on duplicates? Because some players don’t have Frillzeon/don’t want to use duplicates, a limit should be put on duplicates so that these players can remain competitive in OM. Let me know if I got this wrong.”

“Yes people have 3 Frillzeons have an advantage. But it is not duplicates that we should blame, it is egg timing. As I said before, people with many Frillzeons are timers, and smart timers don’t join OM. Getting the reward from the mission eggs is much quicker. This also helps them to stay in pool B.”

So what about when people have a full team of Omegawyrms? Not just three, but maybe 10+? Or Plasmorexes with the death ocarina (I was surprised at what those were capable of…), or people who have like 10 Destructors from timing but can’t time in the future because of the egg timing changes and therefore need to participate in the event? (Apply that to any of the mission monsters). 

“Other than Frillzeons, please let me know how duplicates can help, though I know that double destructors can help too.”

Too many overpowered monsters in your team, quite simply. 

"Taijid, it is very impressive that you can get to 210 without any egg exclusive Arks!

 

But imagine there is a cap on duplicates, you can’t use your 8 halopads, will that affect your progress significantly?

 

I agree with you that with duplicates limit on, people won’t get very far in the infinite dungeon."

 

As is intended. And still, 300+ is certainly possible without unreleased and without duplicates.

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Yes this was supposed to be my point supporting you lol…

I had to use 8 halopards to keep my omega alive to go to 210.

Now I’m over 1100 floors down… (with egg exclusives of course).

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Butterfinger, in this kind of game there is always a so called best team for sweeping creeps.

Currently it is 3 x Frillzeons.

After limiting duplicates, people will find another best team, probably involve some very rare Arks. And then people will complain again, and then the devs need to change the gameplay again.

Arks can be changed frequently, but gameplay should not. As I said, if you are only targeting Frillzeon, just nerf it.

And I agree with Huddle that we should have some freedom. Putting too many restrictions on almost all post-game content (ID, OM, PVP) is not a very good idea.

Ash, I used to be a non-timer, I can understand their pain.

Imagine there is a new player. He does not time eggs. He is a student and he can’t afford to pay for golds. He already missed all the great OM Arks like Destructor. He farmed for weeks and finally got his Omegawyrm and Arkwing. He had a shot at OM and won the Haniwel. Now he is in pool A.

Now, tell me, if you were him, what would you do so that you can compete with pool A’s players?

If I was him, I would farm another Omegawyrm. That’s what I did before I became a timer. This is the only way to become more competitive in OM. And I don’t think this effort should be ignored by putting a limit on duplicates.

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to snow, i really could care less about everyone team, my point is that these kind of things don’t give everyone a fair chance to compete in OM which it was meant to be, and u keep saying that smart egg timer don’t participate in such events because they can easily get the ark from eggs, but can u really say that everyone of them didn’t participate , and u know certainly that even if one did, this is affect greatly on players in the 1% pool

ppl are free in wt to do with their team, as long as they don’t affect everyone else

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I believe you, but when you talk about large amounts of Frillzeons, things change. I see someone has gotten well past floor 1000 thanks to Frillzeon teams (and add to it that fire Ocarina, shall we?)

I am one of those 4 people that have got pass the 1000 mark. And I do use frillz as one of my strategies & skipping bosses if I could & have found better strategy to keep my frillz from dying from the boss.

Not true, I made it to past floor 200 before I had any of the unreleased ones. And that was with using only ONE of each in my team, not even two. 

Someone else (Aethin) had gotten past 300 in this way.

Please elaborate, I’m curious to listen, no duplicate, no unreleased ark to level 300+. I struggled to get to 210, even with 8 halopards/multiple healers & having to go back after every 2 bosses.

I was referring to over 50 floors consecutively, which you won’t find until level 600+.

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How can you have a team that does not affect everyone else in OM? If he puts together a strong team, you lose, that will still affect you.

You want everyone to have a fair chance to compete in OM? Tell me how it can become fair.

(1) new players: they have all the final evolve form Arks, it is not fair!

(2) mature players: they have all the previous OM Arks, it is not fair!

(3) expert players: the timers have all the exclusives, it is not fair!

Let’s face one fact. You cannot have true fairness in OM. One wouldn’t stop complaining until they are in the advantageous group.

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make it as fair as possible by eliminating the advantageous group :slight_smile:

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“After limiting duplicates, people will find another best team, probably involve some very rare Arks. And then people will complain again, and then the devs need to change the gameplay again.”

We’re not talking about teams of three. It’s easy to have a team of three that is quite powerful. 

We’re talking about duplicating that amazing team of three many times over. That’s when we run into issues. 

“Arks can be changed frequently, but gameplay should not. As I said, if you are only targeting Frillzeon, just nerf it.”

I am not only targeting Frillzeon, I am targeting anything that would make someone more powerful than one who doesn’t use duplicates if the entire team or much of it is filled with that one monster.

“And I agree with Huddle that we should have some freedom. Putting too many restrictions on almost all post-game content (ID, OM, PVP) is not a very good idea.”

PvP, too? My goodness. Can you imagine PvP if we didn’t restrict duplicates? And that really is the same reason we should also restrict duplicates in the missions… precisely. 

Again, we need to draw the line somewhere. Sometimes having restrictions is best for the game as a whole. 

"Imagine there is a new player. He does not time eggs. He is a student and he can’t afford to pay for golds. He already missed all the great OM Arks like Destructor. He farmed for weeks and finally got his Omegawyrm and Arkwing. He had a shot at OM and won the Haniwel. Now he is in pool A.

 

Now, tell me, if you were him, what would you do so that you can compete with pool A’s players?"

 

Well, I would tell the developers to restrict duplicates. See? I’m looking out for people like this here. I don’t need duplicates restricted, but this isn’t for me. 

 

By doing that, this person now has a fair chance. 

 

“Please elaborate, I’m curious to listen, no duplicate, no unreleased ark to level 300+. I struggled to get to 210, even with 8 halopards/multiple healers & having to go back after every 2 bosses.”

 

I, for one, didn’t use anything as weak as a Halopard. Maybe that’s a part of it. I used all of the monsters I had available, organized in a very strategic order.

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There will always be an advantageous group. You eliminate one, the next one comes.

If you ask me how to make it more fair, here’s a random thought - they should be a cap on the total number of stars in players’ teams. You want to use the higher-star Arks, you have fewer slots. You use lower-star Arks, you have more slots.

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I don’t think that would entirely solve the issue - sometimes you can go way too far on just a few monsters, while using duplicates. 

It’s true that you can’t make it completely fair. But you can do what you can to make it more fair :).

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and if u use 3 of the same ark, how many slot would u get???  oh wait i don’t need any more slots! cause these 3 are enough to clear the OM :slight_smile:

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Please read carefully Ash. I said putting a limit on ID, OM and PVP is not a good idea, but that does not mean putting a limit on PVP is not a good idea.

No offence, but sometimes I wonder how good will you be at this game if you were not a beta tester. I dare you to play in a new save without any exclusives. I also wonder if you will still say all these kinds of things when you are in your new save.

Or if playing in a new save is too much, delete your two Destructors, and tell yourself “the OM Arks will be released in the future”, as you have been telling this to the less fortunate players who did not win the OM.

Play like a normal player, so that you can think like a normal player. You won’t become a successful game programmer if you don’t feel for your players.

You still haven’t answered me if you were that player what would you do.

Butterfinger, 3 are enough to clear the OM? :slight_smile: Have you ever encountered Puffoxin? And do you know Frillzeon are fragile in OM boss fight because of their large TU moves? Seems like you are simply arguing, not logical debating.

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hmm , ok maybe 6 slots will be enough then:)