Have Jackal or Angelion in FL or Saberdragon, Mojinator, centaur, Shiva 5th etc… There’s many ways to counter it.
Use centaur as 5th to counter Angelion ooo fl. I fully agree.
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What can angelion do when he gets turn? Skip or purify, then centaur will use instant purify. What’s the problem?
Centaur entering means one monster has died, so angelion just needs to revive the died monster.
Then 2nd ooo comes after your purify.
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I Love OoO. It’s the first strategy I successfully used in this game and it’s the the strategy that still provides me the most fun gaming experience in neo Monsters. If you build a really well thought OoO team, it’s definitely able to compete with every team in the top bracket that’s currently out there. That being said, I do think OoO needs a change. Why? Because we need to see the history of the move and here I have to disagree with KD. It’s not same thing as poison or stun, it was a move that was specifically designed to turn the battlefield into a head to head fight between two monsters. Six Monsters were supposed to be sleeping, yeah there were combos with survivor or bomb monsters, soul stealer etc but still those monsters fell asleep in the same way as the monsters on the other side of the field. Also you only had one shot, if your OoO hit the wrong monsters, you were screwed.
The game has changed a lot since then and since we have so many sleep immune monsters this move definitely needs an adjustment. It’s never been the intention of this move to turn the battlefield into a 3 or 4 vs 1 battle. Especially since we have super powerful sleep immune monsters like jackal or Gyomurai. Angelion isn’t even so much of a problem since he can be very limited in OoO teams but a monster like jackal with this moveset should have never gotten sleep immunity. And Oniblades Secret skill is simply braindead. Stratus is more powerful but also requires way more thinking than Oni. Oni simply eliminates the old fear of hitting the wrong monster with OoO because he can simply reuse it. I have no problem with a well built OoO but these Oni + sleep immune teams are a serious problem in my opinion and need an adjustment because this isn’t what OoO was designed for. I used sleep immune teams and still do so but it has really gotten out of control and really ruins the fun for a lot of people in the game.
So I would suggest one the following
Solutions:
1.) Make sleep immune not work if you’re the one who is applying the sleep
Or.
2.) If there’s a sleep immune monster in your FL you can’t use OoO for 50 or 100. This would force people to either build a classic OoO or to go for the extra advantage with sleep immunes but at a much higher risk
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Fully depends on scenario. After instant purify centaur can hit at least 1 nightwatch
Unless oni is already hg’ed, nightwatch cannot change anything. Especially you have lost the control of your fl long enough.
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This summarizes the problem with OoO currently 
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What about bane?
OoO with sleep immune monsters are fine. But the second OoOfrom oniblade is what’s braindead. Oniblade needs a tweak interms of it’s ss.
You have nerfed a limited astrogolem but hesitate to speak upon a common legendary! Even worse, now bunkerbeast is available for everyone to grab.
Atleast people are more supportive for this topic unlike before when I called this strategy braindead and zard edited mine 
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You could make SEs
sleep immune sleep killer
camouflage purifiers
Sleep immune purifiers
Toxic entrance
That cannot be a solution unless they are faster than gyo.
They really really need to restrict secret skill OoO on how it can be used.
They can make the secret skill on oniblade Link. That way it will be fair gameplay , I guess
Camouflage sleep killer
I’ve tried Bane on 5th but Angelion will use purify all and there comes second OoO from Oni.
The TU and order of monsters can be easily managed since three of the monsters are sleeping. (Make Gyo kill, Angelion next, Oni after that)
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Insta purify and then angel uses soul exchange. This matter as it could change the situation dramatically
Freezecobra.
Angelion, Gyo
Oniblade had got really bad before they added the SS. It’s now unique and can do a lot to push the OoO strategy. It’s definitely not overpowered.
There are sooo many good monsters out there which can counter OoO. I’m sure we’ll get more SEs which can do it that everyone gets their hands on.
Angelion counters everything you could use to save your day except you have angelion.
Like what I said, not all OOO fls are broken.
More SEs to counter OOO mainly harm the normal OOO players. Unless new SE performs like Angelion.
Oniblade alone is weak. I’ve tried so many ways for thlugs+ooo, but I don’t have angelion/stun_immune_ooo. Then ooo fl can be shut down so easily.
Maybe the whole mechanism of ooo should be reworked.