Can we recognise saintfeather is C tier!
@Dev_VKC I hope this convinces you to change your perspective on saint.
Being Chrome and Sear food is a very good point. However, Searguard doesnât actually one-shot him because of his high defence (Iâm pretty sure Iâm remembering that correctly). Iâve tentatively put him as S+ but he may drop to S once Iâve seen him in action a bit more, if there are lots of chrono killers around in PvP. Protectors are very often used for their stun absorb so a lot of the time you donât need one if youâve got a good team going and Angelion. From my first impression, Angelionâs main counter is Chromera but other than that it doesnât get taken down as easily as you might fear. No more than other monsters without hold ground.
I donât expect to appease everyone but seriously be nice. This forum doesnât have a place for us being rude to each other. Iâm sure that if youâd taken the time to look through the current state of Buckinghamâs list youâd see far more âwrongâ with it. That wasnât because Buckingham did a bad job, it was because keeping it properly up to date for all the monsters was a tough challenge. So, at the very least, see this as an improvement. If you canât then simply be grateful that this tier list makes no impact to the game⌠itâs just a thread on the forum to give people an idea about the strength of monsters.
@Buckingham Good to see you post here! Itâs sad to see you havenât played for a few weeks. I hope you are fond of the changes, most at least. I made a few which I knew people wouldnât like⌠for example, Cryo, Sancta, Nebel and Cosmo are all way higher for PvP. Itâs harder to be unbiased with bad monsters that have been buffed than it is for good monsters which have been nerfed. I decided to look at each of those four 3 times over before deciding their position. Voodoom is always going to be hated even though itâs had a mega buff.
Heâs an embarrassment now that the Rudolfonzos are useless in PvP 
YeahâŚweeks⌠about thatâŚ
to be brutally honest last time I played was about a week after I announced i was stopping the tier list. New job, less time, life in general. But anyway.
Itâs good to see that youâre putting your mark on it, I was worried you were gonna default to what Iâd done in the past. Happy to see it shaken up a bit tbh.
Yeah I was being kind when I said âweeksâ. I hope youâre having a good time with your life anyway, without needing Neo Monsters.
It took a lot longer than I expected to do an overhaul⌠probably 3-4 hours per section (general Leg, SE, PvP Leg, SE). I really wanted to do a proper job rather than copying what you did, so I was devoted enough in the end to get it done. The PvE section got a lot of changes made but you said yourself you hadnât really been updating that or putting as much effort into it so I knew that would be the case. Additionally, you were excluding all combos so that left some things in odd places compared to where Iâd put them. However, the PvP section was far closer to my own opinions than I expected. I think 75% of the monsters we agree completely on. Some of that 25% have had buffs/nerfs since you ranked them so they donât really count either. For the vast majority of the monsters in our PvP lists they simply shifted down one tier because I wanted to spread them out over the 9 classifications a bit more and then some of those older legendaries shifted down two because theyâre getting outdated compared to new stuff. When I was ranking the monsters I made my own assessment and ranking then as the final step I compared it to yours. I really enjoyed how a lot of the time we came to the same conclusions!
Buck i canât remember the last time u played a pvp so no you donât know but this list trash. Everybody run protector now and regardless yâall forgiven fang has stun pulse so he always can be charge. Yâall acting like he robin who needs a protector to sweep.
Angli will never be better than Leo. The fact you can run a protector with Leo. Angli an A rank monster is my opinion. If sleep was the meta than he would be S
If youâre gonna trashtalk all day about this list then why dont you just make your own list? This attitude is seriously cancerous, you better learn to tone down, you aint mr.perfect you know?
1 Like
So in the midst of all this, Iâd just like to point out that it doesnât really matter what tier someone says a monster is. If my teams smacks you with monsters you consider low tier, that looks worse for you. Just something to consider.
4 Likes
The 14 cost makes it one shot by BB, so you lift up its rank because of that. Interesting.
As it cannot be accelerated to 32s or less, how you overweight accelerate than a self-healing attack is also interesting.
That is true, no need to put hate and give KD a bad tone coz of his tier list.
Debating is good as long as you express your thoughts and opinions in a way that you dont look down on the other person.
I mean Iâm not trying to take a side but itâs not really worth fighting over you know? Just smack the whoever you disagree with in pvp and let that be the end of it.
Yeah thanks GMagic. I said that in my last post I think. I didnât make this list to appease the masses nor does it really matter what it says. If someone uses a particular monster or two and finds it a lot better than listed here then thatâs great for them!
The weakness to chrono killer is annoying, Iâll grant you that. Iâm weighting accelerate very highly because of the way it plays into having a strong 4-monster team, which is exactly what you want with Ash or Nox as they require setting up then you want them alive for a while to sweep through lots. I think another factor which plays into my rating of them is that fire, overall, is one of the worst elements in the game at the moment. I think Ashterios might stand out a bit more when fire gets some good monsters that work well with him.
I canât remember exactly how the elements stand against each other but basically Holy is the best, Storm, Shadow and Water are all very good and Earth and Fire are a little behind.
Exactly my point, but some people just really needed to say bad stuff, no consideration to KDâs feelings
Icefang lovers like to roar 
I love Icefang as well and I see your point, which I agree but Nox placement too high which I dont agree, requires specific monsters to work, very restricted, Ice fits in any team, its all in the matter of its placement in your team and enemyâs placement of protectors. So nox should be lower than Ice in pvp
Thatâs internet for you. Easy to say stuff as âunknownâ, when you are not face to face. Sadly there will always be people who forget or donât care about it.
I heavily valued combos for the PvP tier list and that meant link monsters have done a little better than one might expect. I may knock Ashterios and Noxdragon down a tier in the future but for now I decided to put them high because of their 70TU blood move and strength in good 4-monster lineups, among other things. I will say that I was a bit iffy with their placement because theyâre tricky to value considering the way they work.
One more thing I forgot to mention about Ash vs Nox is how Nox has much higher speed. That is actually pretty important considering his hit all move with instant overwatch (big damage to enemy team and fairly reliable at getting another turn). Even if youâre not going crazy and making an awesome setup for Nox he can deal some serious damage to the enemy team reliably, outside of the front line too.
I hope that one day you will realize how much of a hypocrite you are, but I have my doubts.
The new SE volcaiga is not S+ ,
I repeat not S+,
Itâs a better version of blitzdragon,
I donât or never go into in depth details regarding a SE ,
But putting it into s+ , naah !!!
First of all, given its in egg (very laughable by Devs) is funny enough that people might roll & get it,
Only ppl Rolling for this egg (no top, mid level players ) are whoâll need geo or dolphin.
Second; given its 56 speed, itâs olrite not too fast but not too slow either.
In battle I canât tell whatâs its damage is like , so we cannot just assume what tier it belongs to,
Yea tactical retreat is good but will it survive or does it matter given there are lot of stun counter/convertor legends , stun immune ones included ,
Even if itâs confident strike has decent damage , reducing it ls hp is the best case scenario,
You see as example, like ankou, I kill it at FL & I will keep on killing it until I wipe out the whole team. So volcaiga is useless with its tactical retreat , it wonât matter.
Only 2 things matter with its moveset, strike & itâs stunning entrance gimmick. Itâs best at B tier
Plus there are much better options for a limited SE 
And I would like to recommend arch (rhino -island challenge featured SE ) should be A or A+
It one shots thunder element legends but other elements is very questionable.
Like it couldnât one shot cyclo which has low defence , left cyclo at 25-30% hp.
I agree with attack boost it will one shot most of the legends , but I would like to mention, with high octane speed involved in PvP, wasting 42 seconds on attack boost is rather mistake coz at FL you need to have control over the match .
I hope youâll understand 
1 Like