OLD Tier List

Very nice

Is suikenshi that bad for pve?

I have added their names are right under the icon list.

Btw for awoken mythic list you should put together feedbacks of who actually use them.
That list is a bit vague for PvE

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Got it

We will not involve the part other than uploading icons and the arranging layouts.
I will leave that to Killerdog’s judgement, and I believe he also takes people’s opinions into account while making the list.

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If you say so :man_shrugging:

The icons are brilliant thanks.
Hopefully I can have a discussion with KD about tier list if he will request my opinion.

Oh so if the tier given for mythics is based on awakened then if possible put tier for 2nd evolve too cuz majority of people having mythic don’t have awakened ones

I believe you can see many things differently from other players with the collection of yours.
Please don’t be hesitated to share your thought here to everyone!

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damn, The black moth is the only dude who have 2 tiers. thats OP.
B and B+. Those are the tiers. check em up

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@Killerdog

As VKC said, I’d love to hear your opinion on the use of mythics in PvE and where you think they should go in the tiers. That’s a big part of what commenting here is meant to be about! I’ve previously asked you for input on some monsters.

That’s what the ā€œmythic monster second formsā€ section is all about. In there I list how the second forms compare to their final form.

Thanks for pointing out the mistake! The B tier is meant to be Dreamoth.

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Hey KD the icon for mechaviathon is missing and also dreamoth’s too

@Killerdog if you want between next Tuesday and Wednesday we can have a detailed conversation about each of them in awoken form.
We can do it here so everyone can read, I’ll be very happy to give my share of experience for the community!

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What you’re spotting there is me changing them to names so VKC can add the images. Don’t worry I’ve caught them!

I can’t promise commitment to any particular time just yet, but if you initiate a chat about them I’ll do what I can to join right away. In general I will probably take some convincing to change most of them. I’ve already picked their positions with the full help of Sherlock so in reality it’s two people you’re trying to disprove. The only thing I’ll say in advance is I want the monsters properly split across the tiers, not top heavy as most people would place them.

Why Na’turgoul (42 TU sweeping capabilities as long as there rocks) and Y Ddraig Goch (Super tanky and with ss on can be offensive) in the B+. Is there something i’m missing?

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Yeah got it, obviously I will try to place it as much as possible considering all pve events.
And let’s say I am not trying to disprove anyone, just giving a better view to the community.
Anyway why is called ā€œgeneralā€ and not ā€œPvEā€?

In PvP they’re higher.

Na’turgoul: Faststrike is not quite as easy to get kills with as you’d like against buffed monsters, it dies easily (minimum defence + no defensive passives) and throw isn’t a good strategy for PvE so you’ll be using it alone which means it has limited fuel. 50TU sweeping is great, but compared to the other mythics this is less good for PvE.

Y Ddraig Goch: The damage is still okay on buffed monsters but the recoil is horrible. I think other mythics are better suited to PvE and have higher potential. I may be wrong with this one but I’m not a fan of ā€œbig dumb sweepersā€ because their use is so replaceable.

I mainly followed on from how it was before my time. That’s also why I kept the same 9 tier names that were used before, even though I ignore what they’re called and simply split across the 9 tiers with a bell curve.

I think it was called ā€œgeneralā€ because it was a clearer way of saying ā€œtheir general usability across all the different types of PvE contentā€ rather than ā€œtheir power level in your average kind of PvE contentā€. I prefer it being ā€œgeneralā€ for this reason, but I’ll admit it does get confusing when we interchangeably talk about it being general or PvE.

It think option 2 is better

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I mean this