No idea why Y Ddraig Goch SS is mentioned here it doesn’t give him any defense.
Neither does he 1 shot Sakuralisk or Focalforce.
Ah I thought it did defence. The 3 you mentioned are among the highest defences in the game, but it will 1 shot other Myths.
This is like watching a serial killer and a child molester arguing about who’s the better person.
Both Orca and awakened mythics need a heavy nerf. Simple as that.
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First of all: A serial killer is better than a child molester
second of all: orca will get nerfed, Mythics wont cause they are money.
Dont left neo monster so now the only possible way to make money is Waifus and mythic.
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I know you hate Y Goch, but in my opinion, Y Goch is to Poison, what Asmodia is to sleep 
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Difference being that Asmodia doesn’t have Tyrannical Ruling, double sweeping, Payback Revenge, or FD stats. A closer comparison would be Centaurion, which is also stupid, but again it barely compares.
Plus remember that sleep wins the game the moment it gets going, poison just gets advantage. The counters should reflect that.
ps: Asmodia should get a cost increase too, just fyi
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Tbh I’ve come to re-evaluate Goch because everytime he uses Piercing Blow I imagine he does a “bonk” sound and I chortle
weird bonking noises
Yeah, but on the flip side, whilst Y Goch is brutal at killing poison, against sleep, asmodia can leave plenty of deadweight just for entering which in someways is worse. I’d rather my monsters die than deadweight. For example Imagine running a Goldtail set up or wraith captain cloning and then an Asmodia comes from no where and now you’re at 75 or 50% efficiency for most of the game unless you can clear.
Both are roaring. They are equal counters imo, they just do it differently.
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They’re only deadweight if you don’t build your team correctly: building a sleep team without Purify All (or at least some poison counters) would be like building a stun team without Chrono Killer. It’s no coincidence that so many sleep monsters have that move.
Besides a sleep team in control can fight Asmodia by skipping and preparing a turn order for damage control. I see a Goch coming, what do I do?
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I think Goch and asmodia does a bit too much work on the archtypes they counter.WhenGoch enters it’s a 2 kill for Goch if the opponent’s main strat is poison while asmodia poisoning everything which just frees the sleep lock instantly added with roaring for a kill on low def targets. Both goes overboard on what they have to do and it’s only in awakened
PS -Goch second form is trash while asmodia a very solid myth but pales in comparison to the awakened because of roaring
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Dont just argue against each other when the things you guys support are at fault too
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Asmodia 2nd form is considerabbly weaker than awakened because of Whip’s damage, not Roaring Entrance.
Regardless she’s poison, an archetype that’s supposed to counter sleep, which should be prepared. Same way poison I think works best with protectors to make up for the lower speed.
I’ve also given an example of how sleep can fight back, at least partially, against Asmodia (and any other Toxic Entrance for that matters). Goch has no counter play.
I don’t know about @DevilsMisfortune but I felt it was more of a discussion than an argument 
Also I’m not saying Goch isn’t incredibly strong, just that there are others like it 
However I am incredibly glad that something that happens to be welsh is so strong
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It was a fight to the death.
Regardless I have no issue with facing strong counters, but I would appreciate a way to fight back. I’m starting to believe that the problem isn’t Goch per se though, it’s Roaring Entrance.
That stupid ability needs counters. Bad.
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Bastia’s passive should have been split into 2-3 difference passives - depending on the type of entrance effect
The worst part is that they buffed it for no reason lol. If it was a bug fix, then even monsters without roaring entrance would enter the field as soon as a monster dies to poison tick. Instead they made roaring entrance push every monster back by 1sec which makes no sense.
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