Lionheart:
ā¢ sweeper
ā¢ annoying to deal with because of three healing skills and shield itself once, but if itās not at 100% HP, Confident Strike deals significantly less damage, meaning itās not super reliable as a sweeper since poison destroys it
ā¢ Poison also disables its revenge effect
ā¢ the other attack option is 160sec + only effective against 5ā monsters
ā¢ the mythic version is good, since even 70-99% HP Confident Strike will deal high damage because of high stats, and Natural Selection has a wider range of targets, making it a pretty ok sweeper
Pandamonium:
ā¢ can Poison (all enemies), Sleep (guaranteed) Stun (by a lot)
ā¢ if heās poisoned or if you have a purifier, you can use Exhausting Sleep with no drawbacks
ā¢ despite all of this it has no weaknesses because of Killer Immunity
ā¢ therefore tanky as hell, Hold Ground + full defence + immune to Killer moves
ā¢ if he has nothing left to do, he can sacrifice itself, letting another ally enter the field, while also giving turn to the whole team
Basically, we have a kinda tanky but not that reliable single sweeper VS the 2nd best support legendary in the game, second only to Vigziarid which has a great revenge and attack option
Brilliant stun and sleep control, on a monster thatās high speed and super tanky. Sacrifice team turn is very strong tooā¦ itās a top notch support monster.
Lionheart, on the other hand, is a mediocre/poor sweeper with no flexibility.
EDIT: Just read the next reply (from Interference)ā¦ he covered it very well.
Hey KD, thanks for the update. Your guide is a massively useful resource for every player of this game and Iāve been using literally every time I get something new for years now. Surely a mammoth commitment over time.
That being said, is it my imagination or is your interest in maintaining this thing (or in this game overall) starting to wane?
I think Jackolene was released like 4 or 5 months now and she has yet to be placed. And I donāt mean that to sound like a criticism, you could stop updating forever and this guide would still be an important resource for a very long time. You do you.
I love how you wrote that and proceeded to leave her in D Tier which really isnāt doing the Tier List a favor since D Tier for one of the best mythics currently around is just absurdly wrong.
I agree, KD has been immense in supporting the game and newer players. His guides help so many, Iām sure like others he gets inundated with DMs asking for help and the time he puts into supporting the game is second to none.
My issue with the tier list is that it comes down to one playerās opinion (albeit a solid one). I think maybe the tier list would be stronger if there was a core group of 3 players who agree on the placement of new monsters and update the list more collaboratively, which may also relieve KD of the workload somewhat which you mention. (Not pushing my own agenda here as I wouldnāt volunteer anyway)
She released on May 1st, exactly 2 months ago. I usually update the tier list every 1-2 months, depending on when I have free time.
I havenāt done the update yetā¦ only the changes related to the latest game update. Youāve known how Iāve done tier list updates for yearsā¦ you should know this by now
It wouldnāt, because Iād need to discuss every monster at length with the other people and if I donāt like their placement of it Iād have to spend even more time convincing them to change it. I also believe thereās going to be inconsistency and other things in play if itās a group of people. As it currently stands I should be consistent with any bias/mistakes so people can make adjustment for that when they read it if they spot I rate things differently to how they would. Also, I take input from many different people and am happy to discuss stuff so while itās mostly my own positioning itās also got a lot of the community contributing. I imagine itās easier to convince one person (me) that something should be changed rather than a small group.
Thereās pros and cons to each of course. One con right now is tier list updates only come every couple of months.
On a side note: I believe there will be an alternative tier list being created on the discord in the future, which will be done by a pair of people. Their plan is to make it adjusting lots based on the current meta. It should offer a brilliant second opinion for readers and come with all the pros but without any cons. Only con is that itāll take effort from those guys tooā¦ Iām very interested to see how well they keep up with the workload
Surely more people means less inconsistency and a more accuarate list? I mean, Iām not bothered either way, but having watched Who wants to be a millionaire, āask the audienceā is always stronger than āphone a friendā. You be you though, was just a suggestion
You can clearly see that KDs main problem would be that the others possibly would dissent from his (imagined) superior opinion and he would have to lead the sheep back to the right path
You should speak to Duck and some others. They give me input and I change the majority of what they suggest
In all seriousness though I think I was wrong above when I feared that if it were a small group theyād become closed off to suggestions because theyād confirm each otherās opinions and feel they must be accurate. It really depends on the individuals and chances are theyād be easier to convince than me.
If only this game were as simple as multiple choice general knowledge questions. In that case itās whether you know or you donāt and the majority can trend towards the correct answer. Here itās a complicated case of opinion and we see every other month people going on about something new being OP in PvP when that thing actually existed well before but nobody paid enough attention to it so if you took a collective majority youād simply get the PvP report. Besides, having, say, three people doing the tier list would very much be like phone a friend.
In theory, you guys can all suggest changes so we already have collective knowledge brought into it. I also definitely want any mistakes Iāve made to be pointed out.
Haha I wondered if youād respond like that. I knew my phrasing would come back to bite me. My point there was Iād choose to engage in that, so it would suck up more of my time that the tier list currently does (hence not actually saving me any time).
Btw guys I do find it odd how we seem to get more conversation about this kind of stuff than people offering suggestions about changes to the tier list. I mean, if you want some things moved then say so. Otherwise I have no idea whatās going on in your heads about monster positions you donāt agree with
To circle jerk this to an end: Maeve D Tier (and Auraleus D Tier)
Additional note: youāre doing a great job that probably nobody else could do. I think people highly underestimate the work load this takes. Also in general the quality of the guide section has improved by a 1000 % since you have taken over.
