🏆 Neo Monsters tier list (see first post) 🏆

[Killerdog]

Your post makes literally no analytical points and doesn’t even say for certain whether you believe Harleking should be a higher tier, nor give any context to how it’s being used in your team. It’s simply a boast + “Harleking probably should be higher”.

People are absolutely free to contribute, but only with constructive stuff. If you’re going to write with an ego it doesn’t make your points any stronger, only makes it look like you’re writing with a closed off mind.

@Laxus I’ll get back to you in a bit. I’m just eating.

[ItsSherlock]

@Yakuza

F.D. Maeve Definitely S

@squinty1880

You are grossly underrating Onika here. She should be A at a minimum for PvP

@Coltraz

Nikki S++

@RIOK

Jocodragon imo is a A tier monster

To be fair to @GMagic it’s not like people would make overly elaborate statements when they want to get a monster buffed. So he was actually well in line with the others despite the boasting but then again I would prefer to just ignore that bit because I’d be interested in how you use Harley because rn I would agree with KD that C Tier seems appropriate

[GMagic]

Thank you for being a normal person!

I’ll type up a piece on him tomorrow when I have time!

[Killerdog]

Sorry I came off a bit strong in that post. I was a bit wound up by the boast and just wanted some proper input. I could’ve phrased myself a lot better. I didn’t mean it that badly!

The second post was purely emotional because you’d chosen to make it personal, play the victim and not take on what I’d said in a positive way at all.

I’ll try to communicate better in the future. However, please have more self awareness and try to contribute constructively.

EDIT:
What my first post meant to say was something like…
“Can you add more context / something with a bit more depth to explain how good you think the monster is? Your post basically just looks like a boast, which isn’t helpful.”

Sorry again for how it instead came out stronger.

[Laxus]

so ?quickly!man

[Aeronomatron]

@Killerdog

The second post was purely emotional because you’d chosen to make it personal, play the victim and not take on what I’d said in a positive way at all.

How does this portray ‘purely emotional’?

@GMagic

Hahaha you pick the weirdest things to take shots over

Nobody make any more jokes about using a monster well, it is not allowed in this thread and any mention of it will be met with swift opposition.

He responded fairly reasonably making a joke to lower the tension after you lashed out at him for making a mildly boastful post about how he uses Harley to his real potential. Which is accurate, gmagics harley is a major threat in his endgame.

[Killerdog]

I’m referring to my second post as an emotional one, not his.

@Aeronomatron

mildly boastful post about how he uses Harley to his real potential. Which is accurate, gmagics harley is a major threat in his endgame.

I look forward to hearing about it, when he finds the time (this is me baiting him to come back and write)

[Killerdog]

@Laxus It’s really interesting to see where you’d place some things differently. You say that you use “A or higher” as being good in PvP. For me it’s more like “C or higher” and the average is a bit lower than I’d like right now (it’s B-C, I want B to be the average).

What you seem to be putting higher than me are sweepers and high speed knockback. What you seem to put lower is backstab monsters. Voidress is the backstab monster you like.

My opinion on mythics sweepers
I try hard to not put sweepers high in the tier list. For super epics it’s great when they can kill efficiently or be a good protector, legendaries it depends, but for mythics there are many with powerful support/passive effects that help win a battle. You don’t want to use too many of them in a team but they are good.

There are also sweepers like Huskegon that can easily stun enemies for 320s and/or kill with either piercing or raw (so much flexibility). I am less convinced by a sweeper like Berry because it has unreliable damage (needs attack boost for high defence enemies, which makes it slow to attack), its sweeping move that you use when you have control is 160TU (a bit slow) and that becomes a bigger problem because it has no immunities so it can be disabled. It’s a great monster, but I think the top ones have more flexibility, help to control the battlefield too or have faster sweeping.

My opinion on backstab monsters
I find backstab monsters are great for helping you control the pace of the battle and never get into a bad position. Huskegon, Arachnadiva and Exocross can all do this for a lot of value (charging blood moves, stunning/shielding the monster). Voidress is much worse at it, only targeting 6-7* monsters and the blood move is far out of reach.

My opinion on high speed knockback
This is definitely very strong, especially in the front line. However, I don’t think it’s enough to make a monster high tier. For example, Dragulus does not have much good stuff to follow on after swift knockback. Sometimes it finds protector/sleep targets but when it doesn’t it gets stuck and is ignored by the opponent. It’s also easy to kill so even when it will be good the opponent will stun/sleep/kill it. I actually find sometimes they will use the DR in their favour when you’ve taken control or are trying to keep certain enemies alive because they aren’t doing much… they kill your Dragulus and hope it kills one of those monsters.

Talking about specific monsters
I’m very surprised with Fiona being low on your tier list. I thought you’ve used her quite a bit and like her? She seems very powerful to me… a strong slow on enemies, high defence, stun immunity, high speed (great with purifying mist) and you can build around her in many ways. I didn’t think she was very strong when I first saw her but over time I have seen her be very powerful when used well.

Gremoris is a bit too clunky for S+ I think. High speed, dreamy entrance and quell are excellent. However, she is bad when there is sleep immunity, poison or purify and it is very hard to charge bloodbath. She can easily sit there doing nothing. She is very strong, but not S+ I think.

Don Rilla is such a great monster in practice. It’s tanky, can always kill something at reasonable TU, protects your team from sleep / has a fast heal for anyone and it is very strong with OoO. It’s not as flashy as other sweepers but the reliability and support for your team is amazing.

Lucifelle is good you think? What is the reason?

[Laxus]

First KD, you should be clear about one thing. The ranking list is real-time. You can’t say that it won’t work in the future. You belittle FD. The current version of FD is at the s level. The strength of FD team has an upper limit.but the strength of FD team in the current version is very high now.

The main factors for our ranking are field, control, sweeper, dismantling team, and stable output.

For us, rhythm and field control are the most important.

As for the specific ranking, I don’t want to explain more. Everyone has his own understanding

[Killerdog]

@Laxus

As for the specific ranking, I don’t want to explain more. Everyone has his own understanding

I would really love to know which things you find particularly strong/weak about the monsters we rank differently… if only to make me feel a bit less silly about the effort I put into writing that last post XD

[GMagic]

In my experience:

Harley is elite with link fire. He summons fire shells and makes the opponent choose between targeting him, a shell, or another threat (like magma, berry, etc). He’s also great with bauble, by summoning plant types. I’ve loved using him and he was a huge part of why I had success a while back in pvp.

I’ll also add this:

@Killerdog your response to me was completely unwarranted. I’ve talked shop with you before about monsters and strategies, so you know I have a general idea that I know what I’m talking about.

There have been plenty of posts that were much more boastful and arrogant than my joke above. Didnt see a lot of backlash from you on those.

In conclusion, no need to be a ■■■■.

[Laxus]

KD, we put Bastia on S. ou and I focused on joint defense. I don’t know if you can understand the meaning of joint defense. As for Fiona, she is a disguised control, but without monomer skills will make her very embarrassed, so her appearance rate is not high, and few people play with her

[Killerdog]

@GMagic

He summons fire shells and makes the opponent choose between targeting him, a shell, or another threat

Do you not find the opponent is able to kill the shells too easily too much of the time? I like the synergy with Bauble, hadn’t considered that.

@GMagic

In conclusion, no need to be a ■■■■.

Dude, I explained myself. My post came off stronger than I wanted it too. Take my apology with grace and avoid boasting another time.

@Laxus I don’t know if it’s a translation issue but I don’t understand what you wrote.

[Exu]

I want to join the playground fight too!

@GMagic

I’ve talked shop with you before about monsters and strategies, so you know I have a general idea that I know what I’m talking about.

Get off your high horse… All you needed to do was explain why Harleking should be higher up the Tier list in the first place, then you would have avoided this completely unnecessary argument.

@GMagic

@Killerdog your response to me was completely unwarranted.

Boo hoo.

@GMagic

In conclusion, no need to be a ■■■■

Referring to the previous quote, if he’s a then you’re a .

Seriously dude, just accept the apology and move on…

[DMGInterference]

@Exu

I want to join the playground fight too!

This premise is brilliant

[GMagic]

Hey man, not sure why you’re jumping in as well, but it’s nice to meet you! I’ve never actually talked to you, but I appreciate your input here!

Thanks for putting me in my place about being a , but definitely taking it too far also. But I think your tone is overly harsh because we don’t know each other and you don’t have a lot of experience with how KD reacts to relatively normal things people say (particularly if they’re in Rise).

Have a great day!

[GMagic]

Think about it this way… if the opponent is spending time killing shells of all things, guess what the rest of your monsters are probably doing

My point overall is that he forces the opponent into decisions that have almost no right choice, which is really fun as well as effective!

[Exu]

It’s just about the attitude you approached the issue with and especially that you displayed after KD had already apologized to you. You’re talking a lot about ‘taking it too far’ but you think rubbing it into him isn’t? I don’t care how “normal” it is in rise, but let’s keep it out of here.

Oh, and who am I to talk about my own experiences and knowledge, you clearly know about that better than me even though, by your own words, you don’t even know me

[GMagic]

That didn’t really make sense but thanks again for your contribution and have a fantastic Saturday!

[Exu]

I’m not surprised! Have a great Saturday as well!