Thank you for being a normal person!
Iāll type up a piece on him tomorrow when I have time!
Sorry I came off a bit strong in that post. I was a bit wound up by the boast and just wanted some proper input. I couldāve phrased myself a lot better. I didnāt mean it that badly!
The second post was purely emotional because youād chosen to make it personal, play the victim and not take on what Iād said in a positive way at all.
Iāll try to communicate better in the future. However, please have more self awareness and try to contribute constructively.
EDIT:
What my first post meant to say was something likeā¦
āCan you add more context / something with a bit more depth to explain how good you think the monster is? Your post basically just looks like a boast, which isnāt helpful.ā
Sorry again for how it instead came out stronger.
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so ?quickly!man
How does this portray āpurely emotionalā?
He responded fairly reasonably making a joke to lower the tension after you lashed out at him for making a mildly boastful post about how he uses Harley to his real potential. Which is accurate, gmagics harley is a major threat in his endgame.
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Iām referring to my second post as an emotional one, not his.
I look forward to hearing about it, when he finds the time 
(this is me baiting him to come back and write)
@Laxus Itās really interesting to see where youād place some things differently. You say that you use āA or higherā as being good in PvP. For me itās more like āC or higherā and the average is a bit lower than Iād like right now (itās B-C, I want B to be the average).
What you seem to be putting higher than me are sweepers and high speed knockback. What you seem to put lower is backstab monsters. Voidress is the backstab monster you like.
My opinion on mythics sweepers
I try hard to not put sweepers high in the tier list. For super epics itās great when they can kill efficiently or be a good protector, legendaries it depends, but for mythics there are many with powerful support/passive effects that help win a battle. You donāt want to use too many of them in a team but they are good.
There are also sweepers like Huskegon that can easily stun enemies for 320s and/or kill with either piercing or raw (so much flexibility). I am less convinced by a sweeper like Berry because it has unreliable damage (needs attack boost for high defence enemies, which makes it slow to attack), its sweeping move that you use when you have control is 160TU (a bit slow) and that becomes a bigger problem because it has no immunities so it can be disabled. Itās a great monster, but I think the top ones have more flexibility, help to control the battlefield too or have faster sweeping.
My opinion on backstab monsters
I find backstab monsters are great for helping you control the pace of the battle and never get into a bad position. Huskegon, Arachnadiva and Exocross can all do this for a lot of value (charging blood moves, stunning/shielding the monster). Voidress is much worse at it, only targeting 6-7* monsters and the blood move is far out of reach.
My opinion on high speed knockback
This is definitely very strong, especially in the front line. However, I donāt think itās enough to make a monster high tier. For example, Dragulus does not have much good stuff to follow on after swift knockback. Sometimes it finds protector/sleep targets but when it doesnāt it gets stuck and is ignored by the opponent. Itās also easy to kill so even when it will be good the opponent will stun/sleep/kill it. I actually find sometimes they will use the DR in their favour when youāve taken control or are trying to keep certain enemies alive because they arenāt doing muchā¦ they kill your Dragulus and hope it kills one of those monsters.
Talking about specific monsters
Iām very surprised with Fiona being low on your tier list. I thought youāve used her quite a bit and like her? She seems very powerful to meā¦ a strong slow on enemies, high defence, stun immunity, high speed (great with purifying mist) and you can build around her in many ways. I didnāt think she was very strong when I first saw her but over time I have seen her be very powerful when used well.
Gremoris is a bit too clunky for S+ I think. High speed, dreamy entrance and quell are excellent. However, she is bad when there is sleep immunity, poison or purify and it is very hard to charge bloodbath. She can easily sit there doing nothing. She is very strong, but not S+ I think.
Don Rilla is such a great monster in practice. Itās tanky, can always kill something at reasonable TU, protects your team from sleep / has a fast heal for anyone and it is very strong with OoO. Itās not as flashy as other sweepers but the reliability and support for your team is amazing.
Lucifelle is good you think? What is the reason?
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First KD, you should be clear about one thing. The ranking list is real-time. You canāt say that it wonāt work in the future. You belittle FD. The current version of FD is at the s level. The strength of FD team has an upper limit.but the strength of FD team in the current version is very high now.
The main factors for our ranking are field, control, sweeper, dismantling team, and stable output.
For us, rhythm and field control are the most important.
As for the specific ranking, I donāt want to explain more. Everyone has his own understanding
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I would really love to know which things you find particularly strong/weak about the monsters we rank differentlyā¦ if only to make me feel a bit less silly about the effort I put into writing that last post XD
In my experience:
Harley is elite with link fire. He summons fire shells and makes the opponent choose between targeting him, a shell, or another threat (like magma, berry, etc). Heās also great with bauble, by summoning plant types. Iāve loved using him and he was a huge part of why I had success a while back in pvp.
Iāll also add this:
@Killerdog your response to me was completely unwarranted. Iāve talked shop with you before about monsters and strategies, so you know I have a general idea that I know what Iām talking about.
There have been plenty of posts that were much more boastful and arrogant than my joke above. Didnt see a lot of backlash from you on those.
In conclusion, no need to be a ā ā ā ā .
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KD, we put Bastia on S. ou and I focused on joint defense. I donāt know if you can understand the meaning of joint defense. As for Fiona, she is a disguised control, but without monomer skills will make her very embarrassed, so her appearance rate is not high, and few people play with her
Do you not find the opponent is able to kill the shells too easily too much of the time? I like the synergy with Bauble, hadnāt considered that.
Dude, I explained myself. My post came off stronger than I wanted it too. Take my apology with grace and avoid boasting another time.
@Laxus I donāt know if itās a translation issue but I donāt understand what you wrote.
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I want to join the playground fight too! 
Get off your high horseā¦ All you needed to do was explain why Harleking should be higher up the Tier list in the first place, then you would have avoided this completely unnecessary argument.
Boo hoo.
Referring to the previous quote, if heās a 
then youāre a 
.
Seriously dude, just accept the apology and move onā¦
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This premise is brilliant
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Hey man, not sure why youāre jumping in as well, but itās nice to meet you! Iāve never actually talked to you, but I appreciate your input here!
Thanks for putting me in my place about being a 
, but definitely taking it too far also. But I think your tone is overly harsh because we donāt know each other and you donāt have a lot of experience with how KD reacts to relatively normal things people say (particularly if theyāre in Rise).
Have a great day!
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Think about it this wayā¦ if the opponent is spending time killing shells of all things, guess what the rest of your monsters are probably doing 
My point overall is that he forces the opponent into decisions that have almost no right choice, which is really fun as well as effective!
Itās just about the attitude you approached the issue with and especially that you displayed after KD had already apologized to you. Youāre talking a lot about ātaking it too farā but you think rubbing it into him isnāt? I donāt care how ānormalā it is in rise, but letās keep it out of here.
Oh, and who am I to talk about my own experiences and knowledge, you clearly know about that better than me even though, by your own words, you donāt even know me
That didnāt really make sense but thanks again for your contribution and have a fantastic Saturday!
Iām not surprised! Have a great Saturday as well! 
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Your sarcasm has reached new levels! I get that youāre on the defensive but another time please work with people to reach a positive conclusion. Thereās been literally no acknowledgement of people apologising to you or any effort to apologise / speak kindly from yourself.
I know you believe I have a history of overreacting to small things but those overreactions are against people with real attitude problems, like you have displayed here. Please just be a bit more self aware. Anyway, letās get past this and have the constructive talkā¦
I guess I want to see it some more in practice then. Where Iāve seen it, the person has either been on the backfoot too much that summoning bronzeshells just isnāt an option (dual slayerbane will do far better) or they have opted to summon them but their other two monsters havenāt had enough control over the battle that the four enemies can take out the bronzeshells and still be battling properly against the good monsters.
At times when I have seen Harleking āgo offā it was almost always possible to shut down by killing the Bronzshell(s) easily or simply letting Harleking do its sweeping and ignoring the Bronzeshells so it was a 4v3 or, sometimes, a 4v2 because there were Bronzeshells behind which need to kill themselves off. I feel like you have to be protector locking or something to make Harlekingās sweeping feel properly worth it compared to mythics in the high tiers.
Donāt get me wrong, I like the monster and think itās good (particularly as a tanky threat in the end-game) but havenāt seen it really excel the way I thought it would. I guess I think of him as C tier but stronger in the end-game. I want to shift mythics up a bit in the tier lists to increase the average so Iāll make Harleking B tier, with the caveat that heās mainly being judged on end-game use.
Do my two paragraphs talking about it in practice sound completely different to your experience with it?
I was just about to post that there are 2 kunomi on the tier list and realized itās Silvanna lol