How will it not bring variation?
it wont bring variation because what you are trying to do is killing something niche to make something strong by taking away the one thing she does amzing well and making her a worse carmilla feks the varity that would change would be oh well better sweepers exsist might aswell never use this again in favor of better stuff
I havenât suggested a single damaging moves on Fiona, how am I making her carmilla?
I can already see KD coming to criticize this suggestion xD
no you just want to take away what makes her great
just let a niche monster that works be niche tweaks is fine beastly accel is cool
changing double suriver and frozen wave is a ridicules suggestion tho
Try using it on things with 1tu SS or rocks/AP things.
Fermata is permenant so 1tu moves mean nothing when the next move is doubled anyway.
Are you a mod? Anyways I clarified it later, some messages got deleted
When did I suggest changing those moves? Try reading before writing next time mate
You did say 300 sec is too much for a move.
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Says the guy who didnât read that fermata stays active until the monster affected is removed from the field.
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If I wanted that move to Change why wouldnât I just come out and say it? Do you think Iâm afraid of some guys sitting on their phones miles awayđ(plus I said even better when unknow suggested decreasing tu of freezing moves, scroll up to see chats)
Agreed, but this just means I can shield a monster once beacause if I use the frosty shield after that on him it comes with a big penalty(plus that usage of frosty shield is literally written in analysis of that monster, why would you think I donât know that 
)plus I already have a non performing monster on the field currently, why would I fancy another ap(which are usually bad in going on offensive, plus make the team vulnerable to a lot of attacks)
Guys, please stay on topic here and keep it civil. This is a thread to discuss monster buff ideas, not measure egoâs and take digs at one another. Iâve removed all the off-topic posts.
On the topic of Fiona, sheâs super good already and doesnât need changing. Sheâs a really well balanced monster offering an interesting option for teams with stealth and beasts. Frozen wave+ is appropriate TU, since it is basically a hit all move thatâs faster (200 rather than 250) that also puts a permanent 1.5x TU slow on enemies and she can sometimes stealthy accelerate herself to make it 42+85 = 127TU.
Iâve used both Fiona and Nyx. Funnily enough, I would say Fiona is arguably less niche. Sheâs also better for the job of slowing down the enemy team since it affects low speed monsters too and you do it without any detriment to your team. Nyx is brutal in some matchups but falls flat in many others. Itâs also worth noting Fiona takes more than double the damage to kill (when with a beast), so she easily sticks around to slow newly entered monsters. If Nyx survives she can slow new monsters but at the cost of drastically slowing down her damage output.
Ultimately I think Nyx is stronger because the crescendo timestrike is very powerful. It makes her a huge threat pretty quickly. However, both mythics have been a large part of giving me 90%+ win rate teams and thereâs not too much separating their power level.
Neither need anything that would buff them in a noticeable way. The only one Iâd tweak is Nyx because she doesnât achieve her design goal very well⊠itâs unfun for the opponent to experience and too inconsistent/weak for the Nyx user to actually feel like theyâre countering high speed FLs properly.
A bit off topic, why is this community like this? Never in other communities Iâve seen ppl this desperate to prove a notion wrong,(commenting against buff unless theyre from top players like mr x and going complete 180° degrees and saying yes the monster was weak after dev gives it a buff)coming onto Fiona, 170 tu is too long, regardless of whatever can be said about frozen wave vs fermata, she canât be put in fl as she has high chance of being taken down by sonic, a deadweight for 170 tu is too long, plus stealthy accelerate, she has no move for giving stealth, so once you use his ss youâre basically waiting for a stealthed monster to be on a screen, frosty shield too is too conditional, if youâre getting 90% win rate with Fiona thatâs all well and good, but how does your individual experience overrule my analysis?
that can also be proved with just megalodragon too,complete facts
Your analysis seems to completely ignore any aspects of team building. I mean, if you run Fiona with no camouflage monsters and no other way to stealth a teammate other than her SS then yes youâre correct you will have no target for stealthy accelerate⊠but youâre playing it wrong. I think also youâre focusing too much on the frozen wave+ as if thatâs the best thing Fiona has to offer. Itâs not. You use her for stealthy accelerate and frozen wave+ is just another option available for the times when slowing down the enemies is what you need to do.
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Actually, you know what⊠Iâd love to see Fionaâs frosty shield move become 100TU stealth + shield + slow a teammate. I think that would be very cool. She doesnât need the buff, but the move would be great.
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Youâve been playing for half a decade, so you have a â â â â -ton of monsters, how many actually good monsters that have camo you can put in fl that actually benefit from stealth accelerate (as Fiona is played in fl) I donât see much, I donât think a mythic should have functionality like the se inguard, only useful with handful monsters
100 tu for shielding and stealthing a monster for a single move plus increasing his tu by 50%, in a meta where piercing, excessive is common doesnât seem much of a good idea, plus sheâs a deadweight for 170 tu!