Dear Devs, a reply will be much appreciated on this issue. If it’s too much of a coding nightmare to fix this soon, all good. No problem! Just tell us please. There is a simple way to fix this in the meantime…
Make the first forms of monsters useless so that nobody would want to take advantage of the huge defense buff they clearly have.
What we need for Naba (1st form Don Rilla) is just Ice Breaker and repent
Tbh I think with the case of Don Rilla they removed the wrong things in the lower forms. They went for adding all the defence and healing with the evolution, but giving the sleep immunity and damage potential on the lower forms. What makes it powerful is the ability to have a killing move every time it gets a turn while having naturally tanky stats and no weaknesses. All it needed was Second Gun removed on the 1st and 2nd form, with hold ground not on 1st form, then it would be perfectly balanced. A better idea would be to have downgraded versions of moves too (like on other mythics) so retaliate -> slayerbane and second gun (100TU) -> second gun (160TU).
I honestly think we should slow down things a bit. Don Rilla isnt even released for two weeks and we are already talking about some pretty harsh nerfs to the second form when actually the past has proven that nerfs should be the absolute last resort of balance changes. And if we apply the same standards as we applied to angel (its totally fine if some monsters are stronger than others) then Rilla is totally fine. Also the counterpart to Rilla was basically released one week later: Scorpiogeist gives OoO a really hard time. So further nerfing of Don Rilla is unnecessary imo.
Please note: This is not directed against the first form rilla issue. I totally agree with this.
It’s literally the only myth to have everything unlocked in the 2nd form that is on its final form aside from its SS and bulkier stats. Name me a mythic that has its full main moveset and passives unlocked in form 2 I can’t.
Oh wait, they nerfed the only mon that was close to this, petalisk.
Ya Mythics were never intended to just give a tremendous advantage (despite the extreme rarity). They were intended to force you to buy the advantage. So it makes zero sense that a first form would be powerful. And it makes little sense that a 2nd form would be viable since the whole point of the charade is to bait you into dropping $1,000 to make it useful and buy the advantage.
If anything the first form needs a buff. Only a genius would have spotted the excellent first form moveset, passives and kept it there. It needs more defence and HP needs an increase. Attack is fine.
Gorilla is not hard to kill 2nd form. He can kill one at a time max, which takes around 70tu if no other monsters have a kill. After that first kill he needs another 50 tu before he can attack again or need another monster to snag a kill. Second gun being a 100tu kill and retaliate being a 130 tu kill that is dependant on not killing the enemy with a kill. He dies easily to poison, and his speed isnt fantastic, not to mention he can still be stunlocked. I want the first form to be fixed (I use first form naba btw) either by the defense bug or by taking away some of his value, and then we won’t have any issues. I don’t think him having a full moveset in second form is bad, although I agree it should either be slightly higher tu for second, or slightly lower tu for awakened to give extra incentive to awakened him.
Haha I spoke with Guesswhosback directly after my last post. I used Don Rilla’s first and second forms as an example of how the final form moveset was not downgraded effectively. I don’t actually want to see the second form nerfed necessarily.
The first form obviously needs to be fixed. No first form monster should be viable in top bracket PvP. The second form of mythics should be viable but equivalent to mediocre-good legendaries (in my opinion) then the final form should be stronger than most legendaries.
For Don Rilla I’d like to see the mythic form have an advantage over the second form like a stronger SS (banana protein shake looks OP but it gives chrono weakness). Perhaps rather than giving overwatch it does accelerate on itself. Then, do a TU increase to second gun from 100TU to 130TU. Therefore the second form will only be slightly nerfed and there will be a clear advantage to the final form with that built in acceleration.
Keep overwatch please. Gives him a chance to get another kill and use it with poison entrance to get a quick turn. Despite the weakness which is not that bad tbh. He tanks extremely well and he can fully heal himself twice.