The Odds are NOT Fake

A lot of people have been saying that the odds are fake, or biased, or that F2P and P2W have different odds. And, even as people disprove it using evidence, it is still spreading. Well, I am here to disprove it using logic, instead, and to show you how making the odds fake would be stupid based on game theory and economics. Assume that all of the following examples take place during the double gems event. Enjoy.

One of the most common claims made by people is that the odds are better for P2W players in order to spend more money. Well, to disprove this one, let’s look at an example.

Take a random F2P player. I’ll call him Jeff. Jeff want to awaken every mythic, and is considering whether he can afford to buy the gems. With a 1% chance to get a mythic, and 360 gems per $100, awakening every mythics would cost about $12000.

From Neo’s perspective, Jeff has a risk and a reward. The reward is how much money he will spend. The risk is how much money he THINKS that he will spend times X, how willing he is to spend money. For this case, the risk-reward is as follows:
Risk: 12000x
Reward: $12000

But, what if a P2W player actually has higher odds, and they get on average 2 mythics per $100? Well, Jeff doesn’t know this, so the risk stays the same. However, if he does spend money, he will spend only half as much, so the reward is halved

Risk: $12000x
Reward: $6000

If we say that the reward is R*I, where R is reward and I is the chance that a player will spend, then, by doubling the odds for P2W player, Neo has basically just lost $6000i for no reason, which is clearly dumb.

But it get worse

Let’s say that a Neo dev, having followed my logic so far, decides that the smartest course of action is to decrease the odds for P2W(or for everyone, it doesn’t matter).

Well then, to show how dumb that would be, let’s return to Jeff. Jeff has decided to join the P2W side, and has become quite popular and respected. Then, a dev halves the odds. Well Jeff, who hasn’t bought the eggs yet, decides to do so, and notices that he only got half his expected payout. Being the understandably annoyed, Jeff complains to his friends, who have, of course, been having the same problems. They take note, and, in secret, do an experiment. They spend about $11000 on one banner, logging every result, and, noticing that they got way less than they should have, they get mad. There are mass complaints on the forums. People who recorded their hatches upload them. But the worst is yet to come. People like Jeff, who have spent massive amounts of money on the game, pursue legal avenues. NTT Resonant discovers what happened and stops supporting Zigzagame for pr reasons. The code and the servers are examined and, since this is definitely fraud, Zigzagame is charged. Many people are fired, legal fees mount, and though Zigzagame may not go bankrupt, Neo is a bust and any future games will struggle.

Decreasing the odds in clearly stupid, too, then.

But what about something crazy, like a guaranteed legendary if you hatch at exactly midnight? Well, let’s go back to the good old risk-reward comparison.

Risk: >0
Reward: 0

As you can see based on this, some crazy thing where your WiFi strength or whatever affects your egg odds is also a bust.

In conclusion, there is no reason for Neo to alter the odds. Uou shouldn’t convict on circumstantial evidence, as they say. Changing the odds would be stupid, EXTREMELY illegal, and honestly pretty pointless.

You just got unlucky. That’s it. It happens to all of us. Stop blaming the game, and just forget about it. In the time it takes you to write an angry forum post about your luck, and defend it against all of the people arguing against you, you could have earned an extra egg or two to get back on the right track.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

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The text is very long, try to be more concise next time.

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although the story is beautiful

I also think that very few people complain about that … People complain that they spend 300 gems and get nothing, I think that’s the annoyance they have … I doubt that there are people (many) who say that the probabilities p2w and f2w are different … I agree with you, it is absurd. But people don’t mind that, it bothers them that the mythical ones are broken, it bothers them to spend 300 gems and get nothing … that’s the problem.

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Meanwhile in another thread you give me 8 emails with your replies! Also, 4 posts you do in reply here. Your self awareness is next level :wink:

P.S. ArcticTheHunter, good to see someone writing rational explanation for this topic that occasionally comes up.

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Yes, but I pointed out / I quote in response to what each thing I say goes, so it is easier to read, if someone is not interested in one part, he omits it and reads the other. On the other hand, here it seemed a too long explanation of the same topic, and that does not make me want to read so much, if it were more concise it would be better, it was only a suggestion

Those in glass houses…

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I just thought that it needed to be said. So many people have pointed out how people like DonT and other who open massive numbers of eggs have the expected results, but people don’t listen to that. I wanted to put some much-needed logic onto the debate

Some math errors but I doubt anyone who thinks the odds are rigged will change their mind after reading that. As it’s not a logical but an emotional/psychological problem.

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id say you cant nag about egg hatching unless you’ve done atleast 10+ multis which could be considered a reasonable amout to be able to judge.
seeing people blame the game just by opening 2 multis well thats total bullshit

Shift the like button back to left hand side.

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