Thalazaar 💖 (Poll and Discussion)

[Mr.X]

15 or 8 times is not enough please keep him the way he is, infinite loop we need more of these monsters so the game never ends

[Killerdog]

@Dev_VKC

You’re a math guy, so you know the chance of landing 8 copies at the end is low (5.46%). The chance of failing on the first death isn’t super low either

Yes 15 is not going to happen much at all, especially because the Thalazaar player will probably win before they have to use all 15.

As a maths guy I basically view this as still completely unrealistic to ever target in a game. If it splits that first time, I’m probably going to lose. It’s not worth the risk because it’s literally 66% chance of happening.

Since you mentioned maths, here’s some to prove my point, assuming 66% split rather than 2/3 split.

No. Thalazars	First split	Second split	Third split	No. combinations	Total chance
15	yes	yes yes	yes yes yes yes		5.46%
13	yes	yes yes	yes yes yes no	4	11.24%
11	yes	yes yes	yes yes no no	6	8.68%
9	yes	yes yes	yes no no no	4	2.98%
7	yes	yes yes	no no no no		0.392%
9	yes	yes no	yes yes	2	12.9%
7	yes	yes no	yes no	4	13.29%
5	yes	yes no	no no	2	3.42%
3	yes	no no			7.63%
1	no				34%

That’s a lot of numbers to actually wrap your head around but something I spot in it is how the high chance outcomes are all in the 7-13 range, which is basically due to it being >50% chance to split. Also, the initial 34% chance of no splits likely brings down the average.

Expected number of Thalazaars = 6.36
Expected number if first split happens = 9.12

That 6.36 average is huge and due to 7-13 being the likely outcome vs 1. However, the big point I want to make here is that as a player you’re basically not really facing the 6.36 when you’re in the battle. Instead, you’re weighing up whether it’s worth trying to kill Thalazaar, knowing that if the initial split happens then you’ll need to face an average of 8 more of them!

I think that’s a horrible play experience where basically RNG decides if you’re going to face 1 Thalazaar or 9 Thalazaar. I would much prefer a 100% chance to split once and that be all it does.

There’s an additional angle to this all which I only realised and put in my latest post… how you can revive each Thalazaar. Not just Aurodragon and Nephthys, there are plenty of other revive monsters/moves and Thalazaar will probably prove to be one of the best things for that. Astrajlyth is, in my opinion, the best mythic in the game for PvP due to the ridiculous buff choices made and even with that you were aware of revival synergy and put safeguards in place. Thalazaar absolutely needs its revive passive to also mean it cannot be revived by anything else.

[Unown]

@Dev_VKC

You’re a math guy

I wonder which math guy let the current Thalazars moveset pass through development into release

[Lanz_Montage]

Question, can g.f clover passive counter this clone revenge passives? @Dev_VKC

[PurpleHeart]

I think Gloria is the one with the clone ban passive, and I don’t know, that’s a intresting question I have never thought about

[Coltraz]

She only blocks active skills, not passives. But she has revenge sealer that will work against this mythic.

[Herr_Loki]

@Unown

I wonder which math guy let the current Thalazars moveset pass through development into release

They need to hire @Killerdog back

[Mr.X]

speaking from my personal experience i think neo was a 5 year project, i dont think the parent company expected that neo would last 10 years, at this point am honestly expecting them to drop a neo monsters 2 with enhanced graphics and a new battle system

i dont think they will improve this game any further and we have seen this trend for the past years, where there were no improvements to the main core of the game just 2 mythics every month and balance changes, almost minimum amount of devs work in this game, there hours must be going somewhere or they would have been fired just like the poor story guy

[Herr_Loki]

Times are so crazy, that this doesn’t sound crazy at all old friend

[Exu]

@Mr.X

the poor story guy

So true

@Mr.X

honestly expecting them to drop a neo monsters 2 with enhanced graphics and a new battle system

This is long overdue. A clean slate would make me very excited! However I think it’s wishful thinking, probably the realistic alternative is that there will be nothing to replace Neo.

[Cesar]

@Mr.X

where there were no improvements to the main core of the game just 2 mythics every month and balance changes, almost minimum amount of devs work in this game, there hours must be going somewhere

They’re too busy with this awful game. But hey, it’s you whales who created this situation where with every new update you settle for the little they do because the only thing you care about is spending m0ney to get the latest creatures broken.

[Exu]

@Cesar

But hey, it’s you whales who created this situation where with every new update you settle for the little they do

If everyone followed this logic then we would only have the awful Tokyo Debunker and Evertale as alternatives.

[Cesar]

Well, that’s the truth.

[Dev_VKC]

Well, Evertale doesn’t get updates anymore except for bug fixes. Tokyo Debunker too, I think. But they still add stories alongside new characters though.

We’re trying to add new content, but limited resources and a small team really hinder what we can do. Still, we’re willing and planning to push forward.

I don’t think Neomon 2 is going to happen, since the company prefers PVE games for new games. Those make more profit and don’t require much balance work. Just keep power creeping as long as each new character performs better than the old ones in AI battles

Our dev team loves the game and PvP, and our passion to make it great again never changes. #MNGA

[Mr.X]

@Dev_VKC

Just keep power creeping as long as each new character performs better than the old ones in AI battles

I wonder who enjoys ai vs ai battles why play the game in the first place

@Dev_VKC

We’re trying to add new content, but limited resources and a small team really hinder what we can do. Still, we’re willing and planning to push forward.

This downsizing has been a thing in neo for many years now, it just seems the owners just want to mill every last drop

[Herr_Loki]

@Dev_VKC

to make it great again

“To make it great again"

So u accepting the game it’s not on his peak anymore? How so if u keep updating a dropping new stuff? Don’t u think u guys are doing something wrong?

[Dev_VKC]

@Mr.X

I wonder who enjoys ai vs ai battles why play the game in the first place

Stories, waifus and husbandos.

[Dev_VKC]

@Herr_Loki

So u accepting the game it’s not on his peak anymore? How so if u keep updating a dropping new stuff? Don’t u think u guys are doing something wrong?

This is just a MAGA meme Neomon has been doing great since we overhauled PvP and added quality of life improvements about 2.5 years ago. Last year was very strong, and the first half of this year is already performing better than the same period last year. I think we’re on the right track.

I’d really like to give our success to the features we’ve added, but it also seems that the “power creep” and the rock-paper-scissors environment we intentionally designed have contributed as well (with the real shift starting from the release of Selene and E.D. Keiser).

[NoelLemon2]

Can you give Selene stun counter/stun immunity (preferably counter) and remove unmovable

[SHIKAOTOKO]

I also play Evertale, and that’s a typical social game. They keep adding overpowered new characters, and the older characters are only usable for about a year at best. Furthermore, awakening characters and upgrading them is extremely expensive.

On the other hand, I think Neo Monsters is a great game because even monsters from several years ago can still be useful. I will continue to support you @Dev_VKC .