30tu is nothing when you can one hit through sheild and hold ground and don’t need to be full health. His damage should scale like every other monster with confident strike
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Our make up so that the other Confident Strikers don’t suffer such a massive drop in their damage just from Poison Ticks.
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How about make him one shot above 80%?
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Gyo’s overconfident strike needs no changes. At 100% it doesn’t even kill oak, so i don’t understand why people say it one shots everything below that. Combine this with the fact that it very easy to get Gyo to lose its confidence and Gyo ends up not being all that special.
Penguinator is one of the most luxurious monster ever created in neo. You stick it 16th, give turn to it and press one button to win the game. Now players are suggesting to buff it to guarantee the win after one kill. This is ridiculous. Its excessive force coupled with no restrictions on SBA is more than enough. It’s fine as it is and any sort of buff to it further eliminates any skill in the game.
Cyclo shouldn’t one shot everything since it pretty much hits everything critically. There is hardly any drawback in using cyclo. (I don’t count stun because a competent player knows how to protect it properly).
Given the limited uses of shadow. It should reliably kill all protectors without the rng element. At times struggling to kill drako etc. could be costly.
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Go to list view, sort monsters as “Most HP”. Oak is one of the highest ones due to it’s speed (the slower, the more hp). Overconfident strike doesn’t give a ■■■■ of defence, Only hp.
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Overconfident one shot a legend TT pretty much everytime and is lovely slayerbane all with only 1 kill one shoted Mecha,SE thunder absorver,bb,choco does that feels balanced?
Of course it doesn’t care about defence. Overconfident strike is confident strike with excessive force. So mons like Oak, Stag and angelion survive from 100% Gyo due to their HP stats.
BB and bitterbeast obviously die to it. Accept it since jingle can OHKO and HG them respectively.
Armavolt lives from full due to having the elemental advantage. It’ll need to be counter striked.
Mecha actually lives with a slither from time to time. Guaranteed survival if Gyo isn’t at full.
I really don’t understand. Players want to buff Peng SBA but nerf Gyo/Prisma LINK SBA. This is absurd.
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I didn’t mention nothing about nerfing gyo, what I said was gyo’s damage on overconfident should scale exactly the same as confident, either the confident strike monsters don’t lose so much damage after taking the slightest bit or gyo doesn’t deal as much as he does after taking a hit, basically balancing them out but keeping it so he still ignore sheild and hold ground.
And why should peng slayerbane all be any different to anyone else’s? Gyo can wipe a whole front off one kill so can prisma, link now isn’t exactly a restriction as there’s that many combinations. Magma can kill 2 water monsters with 1 kill, yet peng who has excessive force will sometimes fail to kill anything
The whole point of this thread was small tweaks. No where did I say nerf gyo or buff peng just sort there damage out.
peng slayerbane all ignores shields and hg though it is an effect of its passive, so it should not make high dmg like gyo and prisma, let alone the limitation of link moves.
I would like to mention something, idk if it makes sense,
So Peng SBA is one move with excessive force ,
Meanwhile link requires 3 monsters of same element, which makes up with not having excessive force , coz it adds up damage?
Link is unique thing on its own maybe that’s why damage is like that …
Does it makes sense ??
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Does prisma and gyo has a time restriction?
I did some testing of Overconfident strike a while back…
Average damage = 4413
Lowest = 4038 (-8.5%)
Highest = 4880 (+10.6%)
Therefore, Overconfident strike gives 100% guaranteed kill (even through HG) on any monster over 50% speed and has a more than 50% chance for a one-shot on every legendary below that speed.
Additionally, it deals the same amount of damage whether Gyomurai is on 70% health or 100% health.
So it’s quite difficult to stop and one-shots a huge number of monsters with good reliability. I personally like it how it is, especially considering the only other damage move is counter strike. If Gyomurai needs and adjusting it would be with the SS… either adding a time restriction, lower damage or something.
I really hope the Devs never buff Penguinator slayerbane damage. It’s perfectly fine as it is!
P.S. If you use Ultradusk from Delugazar it 100% guarantees reducing Gyomurai’s health below 70%. I’ve found this to be an effective counter to Gyomurai in the front line.
The issue about gyo is not overconfident strike but link slayerbane all. As it is with prisma. That move is too powerful!
Then why can’t confident strike scale aswell instead of losing 1 health and lose like 1k damage
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Idk anyont ever wondered or noticed ,
Think of Link as a assisted aoe ,
Like Nox shadow gear choco ,
Nox damage is really great,
With link it’s a same thing ,
But it’s not aoe which you get hit with but it’s a slayerbane move,
And also,
If you have all 4 same element , then the link slayerbane damage increases , (200-600 range)
So it matters if you are running a link, hence it has this kind of damage.
Because he is new 
he has to be powerfull af… Older legends? Naah leave them weaker… Who cares, nobody needs a well balanced Game… U have to keep spenders spending #powercreep
They serve very different purposes. The buff to confident strike where it has doubled damage at max health made all those confident strike monsters very strong. Overconfident strike is a move that’s, so far, unique to Gyomurai and other than it the only damage move it has is counter strike, which can only do high damage to storm monsters. If Gyomurai could be shut down like the confident strike monsters then it would have a much harder time performing well. If the confident strike monsters could still deal huge damage when on 70-99.9% health or if their attack ignored hold ground and shields they’d be incredibly powerful and so much harder to deal with.
Can’t see how it would have a hard time performing well when it wipes the field with link slayerbane all if there’s one kill. Meanwhile my peng just failed to kill anything out of b.b goldtail another peng and a 4star protector because there was only 1 kill. There is no balance at all
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Plus hes double immune. Valza doesnt have anything else offensive either and takes 2 70s moves to heal. And as you mentioned doesnt have the LSBA either.
We are quite literally saying, F the old monsters, theyre not meant to be as good as the new ones. So fine lol. But call it like it is peeps.
I sorta see what you’re saying - link is meant to amplify the standard moves damage.
But, SBA is already theoretically a critical move where AOE is not.
But im not of the mind that SBA needs to be nerfed, i do agree though that, like with Gyo v Valza, were just saying the new monsters are better, spend to keep up and bench your old legends. Penguinators SBA is not going to be as good as Gyo or Magma so deal with it. Peng cant oneshot anything thats not water with 1 kill, and its not even 100% reliable at 2 kills, but hes not new so too bad.
Frankly slayerbane all or dual is a BS move to begin with tho lol. Its name is slayerbane - kill the slayer. Not the innocent monsters lol.