Potential nerf ideas?

[NMEduck]

@DMGBonanoe tried doing that but it didn’t work too well

[Lucrayzor]

Then maybe at the very least we can get it all out into the open so we hopefully won’t have to hear of them for a while afterward, ya know?

[TNCGodZeus]

If this is the solution, be happy then, I would love to see people play without complaining so much

[TNC_GOD_THOR]

I think there are monsters that should have nerf but only monsters that are very broken like cinthia and lemon these two give you a 90% victory with having them in your team. For the rest there are too many counters or they kill themselves easily.

[Krur]

Maybe. Make her passive mark ally too.

[Gumii_Megpoiid]

• Monstruos de doble retribución
  El problema: El tirón de retribución siempre ha sido un dolor en el trasero … simplemente mata voluntariamente a un mon que no necesitarás para nada más, y listo, tus letales movimientos dobles se cargan instantáneamente. Fue inteligente la primera vez que alguien pensó en hacer esto, pero ahora, honestamente, se siente barato. Y hablo como alguien que usó algo de este tipo en este mismo pvp.
  Solución propuesta: hacer que la retribución no se active cuando un aliado mata a otro aliado. Temáticamente tiene sentido y realmente garantizará que el movimiento solo se pueda usar con precisión como está previsto.

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[ItsSherlock]

I really think it’s definitely no solution to delegitimize every nerf thread by stating that the person who suggests a nerf is “crying”. I know its a way to protect the monsters you own from getting nerfed because we all dont want our stuff to get weaker but in the end its just a quick way to turn a constructive thread like this into a toxic thread where one side accuses the other side of something and the other way round. So I would be happy if we could try to avoid the “crying” argument at least in a context where somebody takes his time to write a constructive thread like this.

[NoelLemon2]

@Lucrayzor

Double Retribution mons
The issue: Retribution jank has always been such a pain in the rear… just voluntarily kill a mon that you won’t need for anything else, and presto, your lethal double moves are instantly charged. It was clever the first time someone thought to do this, but now it honestly feels cheap. And I speak as someone who used something of this sort in this very pvp.
Proposed Solution: Make Retribution not trigger when an ally kills another ally. Thematically it makes sense, and it’ll really ensure that the move can only be used precisely as it’s intended.

I just realised I suggested something you already did say in your thread. This is a really nice and well thought-out thread and I appreciate it. @Lucrayzor

[DMGInterference]

Agreed. People who complain about powerful monsters and people who dismiss them as crybabies are two sides of the same coin.

[Lucrayzor]

Thanks a bunch for the support. If anyone else wants to accuse me of “crying” and just wanting petty revenge for being unable to combat these mons, then just to make sure you know, I own more than half of the monsters I listed here. Hopefully that’s proof enough that I’m trying to look out for the best interests of the game overall, not just my own viability.

[MementoMori]

I could agree with everything except
1

@Lucrayzor

Proposed solution: Once again, raise the TUs of all of his RAW moves. Given the ridiculous potential of ignoring protectors, on top of everything else orca’s got going already, the TU reduction just isn’t warranted anymore. Maybe make his SS swift while we’re at it too.

I needs to lose stun immunity imo

@Lucrayzor

Proposed Solution: Make Retribution not trigger when an ally kills another ally. Thematically it makes sense, and it’ll really ensure that the move can only be used precisely as it’s intended.

That’s the only viable strat for retribution FLs right now because you can use AP Spam as before and i really don’t see any need of this change. Those FL are nit even meta and in top of that they are nit even that effective because as soon as you kill 2 monsters with a 160 TU 2 new enemy monsters enter the field with enough time to allow the enemy team to recover

[DMGInterference]

I think the same about Retribution strats, they’re rare to see and most of the time they lose their momentum after a short time.

[NMEGaryOak]

Are we just going to ignore the fact that Duscy canibalize token gives AP spammers and easy way out if they get locked behind rockoids

[NMEGaryOak]

@LemonSqueezy

“Let’s talk about alcohol.”

Why don’t we start a thread titled “Let’s talk about mods who are closeted pedos” while we’re at it

[squinty1880]

“Cultural Differences”

[Lucrayzor]

How about “Let’s talk about anything that won’t spiral into derogatory chaos”. Last warning, okay?

[Killerdog]

@NMEGaryOak

Why don’t we start a thread titled “Let’s talk about mods who are closeted pedos” while we’re at it

Wow. Okay let’s get this thread back on track

[NMEGaryOak]

Um are we gonna ignore the fact that ONE took the first shot in this @Killerdog @Lucrayzor

[Killerdog]

Squinty randomly brought up something from a year ago while he was drunk and kicked ONE clan out of the lounge. He took the first shot. Lemon made a harsh but funny joke here on the forum. I think we’re even.

[NMEGaryOak]

@Killerdog

I think we’re even.

Ok, fair play I will take it easy and leave you with my final thoughts:

It’s weird how cultural differences or slight spins on a similar topic suddenly make people flip out