You have a lot of super epics in your team:)
Valzariegn is not S tier anymore. Move down to A+. So much poison around it is very hard to keep confident strike up. I took it out of my team. Often it gets a turn and canāt do anything except double poison.
Dusciycon is overrated as well. Same reason as Valz. But itās better than Valz. I would move it down to S.
Icefang moved up to S.
Dracorosa is an incredible monster. Often has opportunity to kill two monsters with current meta. Iām thinking itās S+
I got it in my team and itās incredible.
Nulltron down to A+š¤£
I have to disagree with you,
valza is still S just play Centaureon next to valza, if both monsters entere at the same time or cen entered after one tick which usually happens he should be able to clear the poison and keep valza at 100% hp.
Dusciycon is one of the most broken things in this game and no question heās S+ tier you either have pierce monsters or using poison or its insta gg. currently with my team am probably somewhere +70-5 I truly did not keep record after I received my first loss where I was at 50±0.
Icefang I would move him to A+ or S.
Dracorosa is S+ pretty much if he gets one kill you have to kill him or he will slaughter your entire team.
null is S
bundam is B
Pink whale is S
Dusicyon is instant win if unanswered.
Itās more effective at drawing fire then aegis is.
@Saitama
I donāt like to shift things just based on the current monthās meta. If things change with time so poison is very common in top teams then I will take it into account. I havenāt seen much poison this PvP anyway.
Dusicyon is incredibly powerful, definitely among the strongest monsters in the game. It basically breaks some of the rules and itās only poison and the increasingly common piercing moves which keep it in check.
Dracorosa is one I instantly put into S, itās an incredible sweeper with a very useful support move. Iām definitely considering it for S+. Thing is, itās probably on the lower end of S+ / higher end of S so Iāll keep it in S because I want as few monsters in S+ as possible.
Icefang has always been a monster people want higher. It used to be S+ the whole time and I really donāt like monsters that are so one-dimensional. Problem is, there are times it comes in and doesnāt work properly plus it doesnāt tank and has no immunities. While lots of people use protectors there is ārawā as a strategy and whenever I see Icefang I never feel threatened by it, even if I have protectors. That doesnāt scream S or S+ to me, only A+ (which it became after its SS).
@Mr.X
We differ in viewpoint on so much but when it comes to the ratings on these monsters weāre almost identical. Those at the spots Iām putting Bundam and Bloomeluga in.
Iām guessing you donāt run an AP? As a former heavy Dusciycon user I can tell you that this monster is not as OP as it used to be. Posion is so common. I got so tired of posion that I kicked Duscy out of my team!
But I agree without posion and piercing it is S+. I still reckon High end of Sā¦but thatās just me.
I agree Bundam is B.
Pink whale S for sure. I always said that.
Valzariegn Even after 1 poison tick it loses critical power. I strongly disagree this guy is S.
Oh posion has been very common ever since I started PvP many months ago. It will continue to be popular forever because it counters almost everything. Shield, HG, sleep.
Monsters like Oak, Cobra, Bain, Deathgazer are like bread and butter.
That infact is a valid point .
Dusi is amazing. Easily S. Had him on a second account. I would trade most legends on my main accoint for it.
Easily top 5 for me. Combo with wraith its a nightmare to deal with.
Combo with Auro and who do u kill? The thing that makes your every kill pointless or the thing that makes your first strike pointless?
I agree itās an S.
Poison not common in pvp. Only low tier use poison. The only poison monsters top players use is oak and grazer. And grazer is used only for his SS
Am running the most heavy ap in this game with dusic. And I have no issues most of the time beating posion.
Itās just inferino that runs my strategy and BB because of pierce
Dusci is a cheat if its used in the right way. In my opinion its one of the top 3 best monsters in the game. Its the textbook example for a S+ monster
Iām saying itās S tier from the angle of posion being common.
I donāt know man. Itās like every time I had Duscy Oak or Cobra was on the field
I will make some suggestions for the sake of that meta changed quite a bit and we need to discuss about some ratings. Not saying there is need for an immediate change for some of the monsters but if the meta development continues this way, there should be some adjustments:
Deathgazer moving down to S: Arguably the best passive in the game but you can see him coming like 100 years before he enters the field. The lack of creativity to use him in any other way than usual Terror, Bane, TT etc. makes him as predictable as no other monster. Furthermore both Dracorosa and Auro (still due to Grovo) are on the rise which are both hard counters to a poison endgame. Hes also weak to chrono killer now and since the number of dolphs in pvp noticeably increased the loss of two monsters at once can be crucial in the endgame. Still a great monster but not the top tier anymore in my opinion.
Heavenswyrm moving down to S or A+: Sadly one of the coolest support monster designs has a hard time in the current meta. Stealthbane and stun killer seem to be everywhere giving him a real hard time to survive long enough to be effective. For a monster whose effectivenes grows with the time it survives on the battlefield those are not the best conditions. Its still possible to build really powerful teams including heavens but since we are talking about the highest tier, heavens might have lost its place in there.
Lavaronix moving down to S: Back in the days Lava was considered to be the better TT because Chrome failed to one shot it sometimes. Mecha was moved down a tier because it was so vulnerable to Chrome. Nowadays Lava is the reason for a smile on the face of dolph users and as I said, right now there are many dolphs causing real trouble for Lava. This is just a suggestion based on the standards we had before in the tier list. Lava could also remain in S+ since the legend TTs have arguably the most effective moveset in the game.
Dracorosa moving up to S+: Incredibly versatile movest, amazing sweeper while also offering team support. For me it is definitely S+. Adding Dracorosa to your team makes your team instantly so much better. For me a textbook S+ monster.
Raizen moving down to A/A+: The God of Thunder and Stun is losing the empire he once ruled. I know @Mr.X once used him in the most effective way but as he stated: Stun gets heavily countered by so many monsters right now while the devs even continue to release more and more converters and counters, even worse: The incredibly common (and useful) willowyrm shuts down raizen almost completely.
Valza remains S in my opinion. Especially because even a 90 % confident strike is strong enough to one shot cobra. He can also heal himself back up and shield again.
We talked about Wraithhorst, definitely not S anymore.
Triviathan is also not S in my opinion. His use becomes more and more situational and trying to keep him stealthed can be really frustrating. He is a very good sweeper, that creates good syngergy with OoO (at least for now) and his SS is also very useful but if you cant get a kill at the start with him when he enters the field, he doesnt add much to the team and dies like a fly. He should be somewhere in the A tier range.
Drakozord moving to the upper edge of A+. Basically one of the very few viable protectors. S would be too much but I wanted to mention him here.
Talking about Protectors: Grizzleguard is NOT A+. A protector weak to stun, assassinate and chronokiller/times up is the last thing you want to have in your team. I know when theory crafting he seems quite good because you want him to enter the field, give turn to a teammate when he can instantly overwatch, snack a quick kill and have a guaranteed double bloodcrave from that point on but in reality the entrance always hits itself, you protect, he gets hit by times up or assassinate (you lose 1), he gets a turn kills something, the opponent kills him and if things become worse a second assassinate or times up is going to hit you. So you lost three monsters and killed one which is a pretty bad trade-off.
Monsters that could move up:
Infernicorn, almost always guarantees about four kills when used in the right way. One of the best sweepers in the current meta.
The Rockoid: So much potential, such a powerful and versatile Moveset. No need to move up right now but hes a strong candidate to do so in the future.
Will continue with the A Tier when I have more time. This is so time consuming, Kudos to @Killerdog and @Buckingham for all the time and passion you (have) (and will) put into this in the past, present and future.
Good evaluation (except for Valz lol). Totally agree with Infernicon moving up. I was going to mention him but forgot. He is one of those monsters that I target as soon as possible on entry. Fantastic against Grovo, Draco, Oak and all monsters in general when attack is boosted.
Also heavens should move down for sure. My free super epic Scarleguard eats them for breakfast. It felt like less people are using it this season.
Rockoid is a monster I often prioritize to kill. Can be super annoying. I agree to move up.
Raizen is not a big threat anymore as well. Not only Willoyrm but my pink whale wrecks himā¦Oh and Scarleguard
Great evaluation
Lava should be moved down further. It will become a joke once the earth husky is released.
Iāve always looked at my team and thought meh, my guys arenāt as good as everyone elseāsā¦but at least I have Duscy
I appreciate the big post, you probably have some idea about the many hours it takes to update each time!
Just as a general note first, Iām organising the monsters slightly differently to how it was done in the past by the community and Buckingham. I donāt move monsters around based on current popular monsters, e.g. Lavaronix being weak to Dolohreezeās timeās up I donāt think comes up enough to call it weaker than Mechaviathan or even if it is then I wonāt be moving it down a whole tier. I think this gives a more consistent tier list which is much better for people looking at it to see which monsters are good for PvE/PvP and it also makes it much easier to maintain.
Deathgazer having two weaknesses and a predictable setup doesnāt matter too much if you have him potted because heāll get a turn in 20s and retreat. While you can prepare yourself to deal with the rest of the monsters, the weaknesses Deathgazer has shouldnāt matter because he wonāt be in the field for long.
Heavenswyrm is a monster not many use but itās a big player in link holy teams. I think itās worthy of S+ whenever Iāve seen it used by myself or others but itās on the low end of S+ and will be dropped to S soon.
Dracorosa feels S or S+, it does pretty much everything you want in PvP. However, itās not always a reliable sweeper. I wrote about it a few posts back.
Raizen is a good monster that hasnāt been featured in ages (I think). Chrono killer is very useful for PvP, itās not the easiest to kill and can support the team well with stun retribution. The really good thing about it is the stun blitz. I think Raizen offers what a lot of teams need right now but since we rarely see it I find it hard to judge. I might drop it to A+, weāll see.
Triviathan is rated mostly on the combo with OoO where he serves as an incredibly aggressive monster. Combined with Gyomurai, Atlantyrant or other strong link water setups he does a lot of work sweeping as well as being a counter to sleep/OoO. He will be dropping when the OoO changes come anyway.
Grizzleguard is a monster I literally just lost a match to when it gave turn to Delugazar, ruining my win streak. You pay respect to the fact itās not really a protector, itās a sweeper with protect as an option. I know all I can write is theory crafting but I think this monster is great for PvP even if right now Dolphreeze is everywhere so you donāt want to use it.
Infernicorn moved up last update. A+ is where Iām happy putting it. It can slip into lots of teams as a suicide sweeper but I think the S and S+ monsters are better.
The Rockoid is definitely one Iāll be looking at closely in the future if there are some great places for it. The potential is there.