Remember this is assuming no support whatosever. Without a protector or a purifier nightrider is unlikely to get a desperate double off, rexo on his own is pretty fragile. Aegis has the drawback of requiring other strong monsters to benefit from him. Ultima needs no support to be good and also supports any team. It’s not so much his strengths as his lack of weaknesses overall.
I think, Buckingham explained it good, Ultimadragon is maybe the most balanced monster in Neomonsters, he has two of the best passives, can support your other monsters by stunning the opponent so that your other monsters can attack, heal or do other thinks and last but not least he can also attack very powerful. The only thing for me is that it took too long to activate his powerful attacks, during the same time other A+ Legendaries sweeps a lot of opponent monsters. So he also need’s a good setting, which allow him to survive this long. In the worse case he is killed before he can activating his powerful attacks and just kill one random monster by activating his death revenge (worse case killing a monster, which didn’t hurt the opponent so much). In my experience most of the time it is this worse case, but maybe in PvP it will be different.
But if he can survive to activate his powerful attacks then he is really the Dragon King.
He is between S and A+, is my conclusion. Maybe put him in a new tier like S-, but then it could be too much tiers and you have to do it the same way for A-,B- etc. What do you all think about it?
I will say that with the current event, my respect for Bahamuzar has gone way up. I never realized the amount of support he can give
Now you know why I built my team around him XD
That being said he dies without protection, hence the low rank.
no need to move him a tier. he’s alright where he is… giving that there’s no stun absorber, using stun flash he’s pretty safe for 1/3rd of his powerup time… if you have some form of tank with stealth teammate and skip a turn for 50s with him he’s ready to go with double survivor which takes down any 2 monsters without hold ground. one double survivor ussually activates his bloodthirst which altho not as powerful as the others because of his low attack compared to other bloodthirst monsters gives him the option to switch between a single kill and double kill move with recoil.
moreover if you put him with something like bahamuzar & use minions to heal ultimadragon you can stack up his bloodthirst pretty quickly to one shot anything that comes next. given he’s got stun immunity he’ll be hard to stop and once he goes down he takes someone with him.
last but not least he’s a Light attribute monster giving him no weakened attacks to any other monster in the game.
yes this is a lot of theory around building around a single monster but well… he’s just that good he’s worth it… (i’ve got a team build around ultimadragon with some unwanted friend mons and teamturners… very hard to take down if the enemy doesnt luck out n gets a death revenge on ultima)
Why is aurordragon so high in this list. His move set is trash, throw with a 30% chance to get ammunition or he AoE and become timestrike food. Compare to atrahasis he is bad. Maybe he has hold ground and reincarnation but the last one is to innacurate compare necromancy with witch you can stole the useful monsters or heal yourself and other mons + bloodcrave. Most of the time he sit there waiting for a teammate to die and do nothing except for stealth but they are lower cost mons for that.
Maybe I’m wrong but at best he is in the B section.
Yeah, and another thing, his moveset just doesn’t click. I mean, throw, which sacrifices them, AND heal rear, which heals them? Really, guys? What, they’re forcing the user make up his mind as to what he wants to do with them? Sounds kind of stupid to me. Kind of like my suspicion that they gave the 5 star assisters sleep all just to make them vulnerable to twinkillers. As if they would become totally OP without those weaknesses. And then there’s those guys Thunderhoof and Mammut. They have two moves that are ideal for use at low health, but they obviously can’t use both of them. I think these guys really need a moveset update. For Auro, just ditch throw and give him life flip self or purify or something. Or maybe even switch places.
You know having used aurodragon I’m actually inclined to move him down. Reincarnation is really good but without any throw fodder he’s not actually that good.
EDIT: Moved down to B+ for now.
I agree that suri is not very good. Only decent way I’ve found to use him is with bahamuzar so that you have two powerful throwers at once
That’s what I’ve been doing at the moment.
Also he combos very well with atrahasis
I might say that deodragon, could move up from his tier.
he is pretty overpowered with energy charge, which heal him, and after to times energy change, energy blast removes 4 of the enemies monsters.
So u build a whole Team around him so he becomes effective? Bahamuzar isnt in a great tier although he has such a good moveset in general, only thing is a give turner /Team Turner and rexo is much better with Support then ultimadragon, Ur Post is useless as its only the use of the mon without sup, which imo is pretty stupid if we Want to rate how good they are, especially with the six trials anybody can provide Any legend with decent support, and many legendarys are stronger then ultimadragon with support, bahamuzar, nightrider, atrahasis, rexo, oniblade only to name a few (soulstealer hust)
I dont want to sound like mad but ultima dragon is definetly not as good as You say, its pretty obvious why, double survivor nearly kills himself and if not he will be killed by most Other decent sweepers, stun flash wont Be as good in pvp as i said, the best players will use stun absorbers to protect their important mons, so ultima sits on 250 secs, i dont say he is bad, just not same Tier as rexo or aegis
I have to join the Ultimadragon fans - got me to the top 50 in most events. Once bloodthirst is powered up (easy with unwanted friends), then you can sweep teams very easily, choosing between killing 1 / 2 of them each time depending on the need. Combined with a give turner and a healer, he’s pretty much unstoppable. And he has great passives on top of that.
Without support he’s great, and with support he’s one of the best.
This list has to follow a no support rule since its realistically the only way to rate monsters evenly in a vacuum. As soon as you add support in not only would the whole list change but it would keep changing. Add in pvp and you’d have a tier list based on the meta rather than how good a monster is.
Trying to apply this list to pvp is not ideal since inevitably you go into it with a strategy built around said legendary. If you build around bahamuzar he’s probably the best sweeper in the game bar last biters, but without any he’s too vulnerable to timestrike.
Basically you can’t suggest a change based on how well a monster does in pvp, because in pvp you will always be supporting the monster. Since this list has to be unbiased it takes into account ONLY the monsters, not the support they need. If they function without support, then they are ranked high. If they don’t, then they are ranked low.
He is bordering between two tiers at the moment. I might end up moving him up one, but honestly I haven’t seen enough of him.
If more people say the same thing I’ll move him up
There’s plenty of posts here that speak of the monster supplying support to the rest of the team or receiving support… Just because you’ve got a disagreement with some statements doesn’t mean you have to be so rude.
Either way strictly speaking about Ultimadragon alone with Deaths revenge it can always get at least a single kill. he has a stun to support other monsters + stun immunity and an ability that will take down most monsters in a single hit that activates only 50s after he gets a turn when he’s casted stun flash. his stats are quite balanced and I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one that thinks he’s fine where he is. Moreover we’re not talking PVP here as it will be all about teamwork between monsters…
But to comment on your argument about using stun absorb on a stun absorber. A player with a logical mind set is not going to use his stun flash blindly when a stun absorber is up. instead using a knockback followed by stun flash would make more sense but either way… too far off topic.
I think deodragon is fine where he is since he doesn’t deal as much damage as a true 400 sec bomb, timestiker will kill him after his first burst or leaving him with some hp or even a double desperate with hold ground and Nightrider who will destroy you. He’s like polareon or bahamuzar with the right set up he’s disgusting but alone timestrike food.
As someone who has been using deodragon a lot, he is actually quite strong. Energy charge stacks and heals him making him more or less immune to AoE attacks. After 3 charges his energy blast wipes out most monsters. Aegis is taken to hold ground after 5 charges, and at 5 charges he takes out everything (barring hold ground, but at that point moji could take them out). He is stun immune as well which means he is only vulnerable to time strike after using energy blast which is a mute point because if he is charged enough he will one shot any time strikers (again barring hold grounders). 3 charges also take him from red to full health. He is guaranteed at least a few kills before he dies, and he heals himself.
Still get kill by hold ground desperate who are quite common. While his stacking he’s vulnerable so you have a set up and this list is base without set up. Stacking up 5 time his plenty of time to get a bloodcrave or bloodthisrt ready and stealth will ruined your day too. Dream entry or whatever it’s call will get you kill too. He’ nearly like Nightrider but a little bit better so he’s good where he is.
The list is about stand alone ability just about every monster requires a set up, ultimate for survivor baha with throw etc. He has stealth too, which prevents dreamy entrance. 5 stacks takes ageis to hold ground who has 5200 defense. 2 stacks wipe out most of the bloodcrave time strikers. While he is stacking he is nearly impossible to kill and he is healing himself while he is doing so. He is obviously vulnerable to poison eater but just about every monster is. He can stealth before blasting which makes him immune to the coming desperate all or double. Nightrider rarely gets desperate all off 1 time let alone twice. Nightrider does not have stun immunity which means he is vulnerable to timestrike. Deodragon gets off blast at least 1 time and depending on charges can take out the entire frontline. Energy charge has a 100 time cost meaning he can charge 2 times after a monster uses a 250 sec skill. He also has 99 speed meaning he always starts and can use stealth or energy charge as needed to prevent sleep. I would say he is at least as good as ultimate dragon and actually counters him well. 3 stacks by the time ultimate has survivor then Deo one shots him.
But rating them by how good they are without support doesnt determine how good they Really are which Makes the list pretty useless too me
And a list that is based on the meta makes much more sense, it would actually show how Strong they are
This Game is based on strategy and not on single monsters so rating them without considering the Most important thing in the Game doesnt make Any sense to me at least
And the List is changing every now and then so dont see the problem with that
And i appologize if i sounded rude before, wasnt my intention😅