[Novadrake][Stun wave to Stun pulse]

:joy: ye yeee we believe u … Lemon is naughty when it comes to novadrake

From a completely unbiased standpoint, I can confidently say with 100% certainty that Novadrake is a perfectly balanced monster, and anyone who says otherwise just got stun locked too many times.

I have Nova too. It’s one of those monsters that makes the game easier in so many ways and it’s understandable people have grown to like it, after all it’s a S+ tier monster and good in almost any situation…

A 50 TU Stun Wave was never a good idea in the first place to be honest, it’s way too useful and Nova doesn’t get “punished” enough for using it. I mean come on, it loses a fraction of its current HP which he can later heal and on top of that can act again in 50 TU compared to Heavenswyrm which takes 5 TIMES as long to get a turn for the SAME benefit…

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Just make bloodprice taking 30% of its max HP not the current one and its good to go

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Stun Wave -> Stun Flash/Double Stunstrike (stuns for 150tu)?

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Damm ppl complaining about how stun literally shifts the game…so sleep is about rng and poison is all about aggression… what’s stun supposed to do??
Ppl puts stun so they can take back the control of the match by it …u don’t wanna get wrecked by ur opponents the whole match now do u ??.while stun is support… novadrake is what makes stun a dangerous sweeper…a archtype which can be ran as a sweeper or main theme of the team
Defienetly sounds kinda biased cz i own novadrake too…and he does make matches swing a lot…at least he isn’t a monster that can just come in and starts killing… what he does is give u back the control what ur opponents had on u ._. doesn’t sound a bad thing when it’s stun cz that’s what stun is supposed to do…
This thread sounds more like “i got stun locked…now nova needs to be nerfed”
Didn’t know he was higher than lemon…mark … orca and poison in the nerf list

This is my issue too. Community should prioritise.

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btw no one was saying that he is higher than lemon, mark, and orca on the nerf list. (Edit: well at least I hope not lol) Novadrake hasn’t made it in the top 10 most used monsters in a few months so I think it is fine right now.

Most of the nerfs mentioned so far wouldn’t make novadrake significantly weaker in stun lock strats or make an archetype unplayable. Changing stun wave to something else would only make it harder for novadrake to take over a game on its own, but it could still achieve the same goal with enough stun.

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This thread discusses Nova and discussing priorities would most likely be pointless because everyone has a different list. However, I think we can agree that Nova is up there with those you mentioned.

Stun is supposed to take control of the match but watch the older monsters: Stun Flash 250 TU, Stun bomb sacrifices user, Stun pulse by Galvbane only stuns 1 enemy for 50 sec, Shockers were trash if not for their passive and often you needed other monsters to combine with the stun to take control of the match… There were clear drawbacks when attempting a stun lock.

Nova is fast, can stun all the enemies in 50 TU and on top of that can set up itself and be the sweeper that benefits from the stun. All this with maximum 50 TU skills? Isn’t that a little too much?

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For the first part… it’s just a way of saying…what to prioritise first…u want that nerfed… u want this nerfed…in the end it’s just a mess of nothing happening… There’s mark… poison…lemon and orca out there rampaging in pvp…untill they r resolved … wouldn’t it be better to start bringing up more stuffs
To nerf.
Also for the sec part…i know very well know how strong nova is …and how strong stun is… that’s not what i meant…nova won’t be weak with stun flash cz it’s still a 42 tu stun flash…he will be just a bit less aggressive from his sec/third turn. If nova the best stun sweeper is getting a tweaking in negative… isn’t it better to tweak the other stun monsters out there who needs some shining too ?..take the older stun flashers as example

There’s also another way btw.
Buff the old monsters… ._.

No, not killing 600tu stunned mons is what makes stun a dangerous sweeper

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You know that’s actually a heartfelt and compelling argumentation, but I can mitigate it due to the sheer hatred I hold towards Spammydrake

Btw Novadrake makes me think of another thing: regular attacking moves need to get buffed.

Novadrake deals around 800 damage with his AoE when unbuffed and without any Shadow ally, which means ~4000 damage with a single attack.

Noxdragon deals the same damage in 250sec when Enraged and with 4 Shadow allies.
And let’s also mention how regular attacks (e.g. Ultralux, Ultraquake (All), Ultraflux (Dual)) are even more useless!
They need a HUGE seconds reduction, I wouldn’t mind if you weren’t punished for using them outside of AoE spam

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I wonder if there was a way we could achieve it though. Like a nerf mega thread (and a buff mega thread.) set a poll. Put all of the potential candidates on there, and set it so that the community could only vote two times? That way, it’s clear what the community thinks is the most unbalanced and clear for Devs?

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For me, nefariodon and toxic entrance are at around the same nerf priority and lemon endgames are a close second. Novadrake isn’t a priority rn unless it becomes a lot more common. In the past few months, we’ve actually seen a decrease in nova users so I don’t think this is a good time to nerf it.

also orca is about the same as lemon

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gazer is on the same level as padrinorca.
just because he doesn’t sweep himself he gets less attention.

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We could always have a crack at it but it’s one of those contested and possibly volatile topics :sweat_smile:

Can you edit polls once they’re set? I’ll give it a shot if so :man_shrugging:t2:

Perhaps fastforward entrance could get the same treatment as shield field and auto poison all? That way deathgazer wouldn’t be able to retreat or attack so soon after it enters.

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Honestly I don’t know. Anyone here who has done a poll before?