See it as you may, I mentioned many times my intention is not to debate monster balancing but the way it’s been proposed. That should be clear enough.
I agree, the however amount of voters that would adequately represent the whole community with completely unbiased choice and options 
/yay
Which is nerf that this poll is trying to achieve. both Bastia and aether passives affect both players and and the one using them have play around their passives while kanna is just one sidely
It’s not about representing the whole community with completely unbiased choices since both of those are impossible. The forum and especially this sole thread does not come close to representing the whole community. Even if it could, the community as a whole probably isn’t even that good at determining what to balance.
Imo it’s a lot better to mush together opinions from top players who have a good understanding of what’s oppressive in the meta and how to balance them without going overkill. I happen to have an overwhelming incentive to not let anything get nerfed (the high likelihood of me getting top 1 again with the exact same team as last month if the meta doesn’t change much) which was why I chose to release the poll now.
There’s also the issue of how letting everyone come up with their own suggestions on what to change would mix in a bunch of terrible options that would completely kill the affected monster or target something that’s perfectly balanced. The devs would have to sort through all of those to find the suggestions that are actually good and then they might not even implement them, which is what’s been happening for the past few months.
I’ll be honest with you, if wasn’t for @ItsSherlock comment and his calling people “super biased” (where I felt included because of past clashes), I would not have jumped in this thread at all.
I should have just ignored it? Probably.
I am going to answer further comments? No, because after having read further comments I prefer not to fuel an argument.
You’re getting really easy to dislike
How else would you describe carmilla users who freak the hell out when someone even thinks about weakening their 50k defense UC mythic?
lol and I’ll totally do it too
It’s been discussed at length before that getting first is primarily due to having the time to do it. You keep trying to leverage it into clout for some reason
Most of those discussions took place during Mr X’s reign when ranked was more of a grind. A bunch of players have enough time to play 92 games in the three day period and I still had the highest winrate out of all of them by a decent margin thanks to the devs’ unwillingness to nerf myst. In the end, it would’ve been janne with 1st place last month if they nerfed myst over a year ago like they should’ve.
It’s definitely possible to say something needs a nerf without acting like god’s greatest gift
Sure, but doing that hasn’t worked for the past year. I’m pretty sure myst is on the devs’ radar by now at least. Also, I clearly stated I wouldn’t have these placements if the devs could properly balance the game. I owe all of my success last season to myst continuing to be OP after all this time.
@NMEduck the truth is that you are a very skilled player and have a winning mentality, that’s why you are getting top results.
Dunno depends on what kind of message you wanna send.
Is it the only mons with low tu healing move? The answer is no.
There are mons with much faster sweeping yet its the only one getting singled out.
If the nerf is done across the board there will be no issues but will it be done is the real question here.
With respect to kanna,
People forget that while she blocks one out of potential 5 skills, a sleep blocks all skill. So whether you are gonna conveniently think that its okay to nerf one but not the other seems bit fishy to me.
Finally i still think most nerfs mentioned dont solve the problem are understatements. Even if we take for instance bastia nerf proposal, it will probably kill her value on a team. She already has no offensive skill. While one might feel that she is oppressive in reality she does give a disadvantage to the guy who is running her since he is going with 3v4 from the start.
Had one ran all 4 offensive mons there is good chance they will end up losing. If i recall you shared a setup with bastia and maeve setup on discord , tbh it was easy picking for my crystal worm team.
(Because all 4 were a threat to him and after i got rid off his min attackers, bastia was more of an asset to me).
Instead i would rather prefer more mons with similar creative passive in neo mons diversity than the upcoming 300% buff or 200% buff on miscellaneous mons,
Or providing some stealth and shield buff etc.
worst take + ratio @Lacktwo
With respect to Kanna and Sleep,
Yepp, Sleep blocks all Skills. Sleep also isn’t guaranteed to work. Monsters also have Insomnia, Sleep Immune, Purify, Purify Stealth, Purifying Mist, Lava Entrance, Shock (Rattars thing), Poison Gas, Toxic Entrance, Poison Revenge, Instant Purify All, and a few others that give Answer to sleep monsters and sleep teams.
Kanna blocks only your opponents Secret Skills and has… Oh, no cost at all? No answers outside of killing it?
Yeaaaa Sleep and Kanna are a terrible comparison here, not even close.
Well if we are gonna take that as a conclusion,
Perhaps it would be good time to point out how many people have flipped flop for some of the mons buffs and nerfs on this very forum. They are even calling for nerf to that same mons they asked for buff some time back. This group also includes several “elite players” .
Not to mention some of the shittiest forum nerfs were gatekeeped on this forum, so pardon my skepticism on the elitist view when people dont know how badly it kills the mons.
Not really no…
How is it people conveniently forget that at any point one can repulse or kb the mons?
Did you forget the variant of kb by spikie perhaps? Or wait maybe you did forget that it roughly takes 130-150 tu to even start sweeping for kanna, perhaps the repulse or kb is even more ridiculous on kanna compared to others? Especially after she has charged mortar?
Since it has come to this,
I have completely different take on the matter. How many times do you think a monster gets to use it secret skill before it dies? Compare that scenario with kanna on field.
How many times do you think a monster dies before using a move on field?
Compare that scenario with sleep mons.
Once you do you will realize sleep is more dominant than kanna’s passive.
Either way i wouldnt prefer nerfing either but it was my take on comparing the two. If one were to ask me which was worse a sleep setup with good sweep versus kanna’s passive with slow sweeping i would say former is more dominant.
Here is my take on the nerf thread as a whole:
Lot of mons are getting buffed with passive which increases both atk and def, these mons are increasing over time which makes non buffed mons vulnerable in comparison. This is major reason why poison team arent that popular.
In comparison sleep as meta works against these buffed mons without much sleep protection which is why many people are asking for the nerf on the poll. If this is the legit reason for asking nerf arent we pandering to a set of players than, that is my question.
Also,
Most nerfs arent being asked across the board. They are trying to kill a particular mons because they face difficulty against it when in reality one should do it across the board.
Either that or it’s because both scorpiogeist and deathgazer are restricted 
Most of what you wrote was either incredibly vague or didn’t make much sense so I’ll just point out how making kanna’s secret deal work both ways wouldn’t stop janne from pushing top 1-3 since it can still hide behind an AP while countering orca and haze frontlines. Actually it wouldn’t hurt janne’s frontline at all but that’s not too common. Secret skills are crucial for so many monsters which makes it quite difficult to ignore kanna even if it only gets to kill anything it wants every 150 secs or so.
Also I don’t really get why you’re comparing secret seal to sleep, which is literally an entire archetype. Of course sleep is going to be more dominant than a single monster lol
Vinegazer case in point.
with regards to kanna. one of the biggest problems with her passive is that a lot of the popular secret skills would be the best way to deal with her and the other monsters she protects with her passive if it didn’t exist. i feel this is why it makes it so annoying. also now that she can no longer hide behind skeleviathon she might become less of a problem however it is still a huge advantage for it to only work on one side of the team. imagine if Aetherion only had one sided stun protection lol.