🏆 Neo Monsters tier list (see first post) 🏆

[Gentle]

Same list you got except Bloom/Dusi/Elemphox

[ItsSherlock]

@Killerdog

Start by trying to help, before trying to change the system

Tried that, didn’t go too well, that’s why we agreed to change the system if I’m allowed to refresh your memory here

[NMEduck]

We’re not talking about hp boosts. This is just for the general tier list

[ItsSherlock]

The Tier List Voting Thread

Hello everybody, In accordance with KD this will increase the influence the community has on the ranks of the Tier List. It will work as follows: If you think a monster is misplaced in the Tier List you can call for a vote on that monster. Please write a post in which you explain why you think the monsters should be placed higher or lower. Giving a reasonable explanation would be appreciated. If your post reaches 10 likes within 72 hours (!) there will be a vote scheduled. If the vote confirms…

We now have a voting thread for the tier list. Please note that this is a test drive for now. So use it with responsibility if you want this feature to stay

[PurpleHeart]

@Killerdog

which I assume the AI uses?

It will always use protect first dual flux if something is shielded even if sleep bomb can be used so its still abusable for a wile in pve but you have to get rid of it whitin id say 400 secs minimum or get sleep locked by the moonog

[GMagic]

Seems like Redybug should be lower now… like you said, they didn’t just nerf it, they killed its functionality.

I was going to bring this up in another thread (still might) but I think the Devs need to have a discussion about what they did to this mon. I understand that it’s an SE and supposed to be mediocre, but my goodness they essentially gave it a Bastia level nerf that they eventually reverted.

It either needs that poison revenge removed and replaced with literally anything else, or just have the one passive and call it a day. Or, I guess put poison eater on Goldoise?

There are plenty of solutions given how badly they actually butchered the concept

[Coltraz]

They tried to solve this infamous Momo Redybug infinite loop, but what they did was a kill on a decent SE and also a big hit to any reptile teams - Nagandia, Ophi, Sui etc.

[Killerdog]

Yeah I am definitely going to discuss it with VKC and see if it can have something back.

When deciding where to put it in the tier list it was very tricky. The thing is, it’s still a very tanky protector for any team with a reptile. Compared to other SEs, that’s something quite valuable. So I settled on S- eventually, but that’s not saying it’s good… it’s just playable in reptile teams and better than a bunch of mediocre SEs in generic teams.

P.S. @PurpleHeart Thanks for the info!

[EMI_Eklypz]

@Killerdog

Yeah I am definitely going to discuss it with VKC and see if it can have something back.

[GaleKnees]

ITS HAPPENING ITS HAPPENING

[Killerdog]

I did that one before dinner, doing the rest now.

[GaleKnees]

Nice,can’t wait.

[Coltraz]

Lucifelle and Lilithia being E in general must be the reason they are always targeted first by enemies becuase they are so bad. And for PvE they must also suck with their piercing double sweep moves.

[Exu]

@Killerdog

New sound effects for these moves: ASMR, Terrorize, Terminal Virus, Blizzard (All), Frozen Wave, Goddess’ Protection, Vow, Fermata, Drift, Heart Burst, Pounce, Clumsy Entrance. (Thanks to VKC for the full list)

Ooh, I might have to turn the sounds on after years of having them off!

[Killerdog]

@Coltraz

Lucifelle and Lilithia being E in general must be the reason they are always targeted first by enemies becuase they are so bad. And for PvE they must also suck with their piercing double sweep moves.

Lilithia doesn’t piercing sweep? Its main benefit is when you’re trading back and forth with the enemy team… which isn’t what you want to be doing in PvE. Obviously counter sleep will be brilliant in some battles though.

Lucifelle is a good sweeper with a give turn setup, but there are other monsters that achieve the same goal in PvE or that don’t need a specific setup to perform well. I.e. What it offers is outclassed in the context of PvE.

Feel free to share some of your own insight if you feel differently.

[Tavaray]

Thought Vespia would be S- but im fine with where she is
Noooo my Rhinedragon keeps going down😭, i hope they add him to standard mythic pool this year so i can awaken him,

[Killerdog]

It’s really tough competition when you get into S- on the mythics. I know each person who looks at those top three tiers will be able to pick out a couple of monsters they’d personally rate lower, but what the monsters offer is huge so it’s hard to make a case for anything to move up into it.

Sadly, Rhinedragon just doesn’t offer as much as other mythics, especially the newer ones coming out. The goldoids are cool and it can always keep dealing damage no matter the situation but that’s about all it offers in a unique way so it’s hard to justify it staying up there. Basically it’s better than the “bad” mythics which can become deadweight, but worse than almost all the ones that aren’t like that.

@Coltraz I just want to add… I considered moving Nyx up to S+ but don’t really have enough knowledge about it. At some point I’ll probably swap Cynthia and Nyx but want to be certain before I do that. I’m tagging you with this because I know you’re probably someone who’s thinking this swap should happen.

[Coltraz]

@Killerdog

Lilithia doesn’t piercing sweep?

Isn’t Antidote double piercing move? She should be higher just becase she is one of the best supporters with crazy passive, counters both sleep and poison setups and on top of that can pure cure or pullback a stunned teammate.

[Chief_Grey]

Lilithia is broken.
I think she should be S+ in PvP.
She is just another Sakuralisk in support role.
Since sleep and poison is the meta, she is perfect.
Best in the frontline.

Ignore her, everybody will be atleast twice stronger.

[Herr_Loki]

@Killerdog

with night veil stacking up a huge number of passives on Luna (focus, camo, sleep/poison immune, half stun immune) this seems pretty cool… except it has poor speed and defence plus no actual synergy potential. It also lacks piercing, low TU sweeping and has no control moves, so doesn’t compare well against many other mythics. For PvP the baseline here is still alright because it will always threaten either a 100TU retribution or 200TU double kill, but it’s still not going to perform in the same league as others

Ok

@Killerdog

C for PvP,

I’m gonna say she should be E lmfao