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Everything > Majorie
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… … … Aaaaaaand gutted.
Monday is a bank holiday in the UK. I’m preparing an update, should hopefully have it released tomorrow (or at least partially released).
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Well alright then!
Update
Notes:
I haven’t updated this in a long time so what I’m doing is three updates. This is the second, moving all the monsters around. The final one will add all the new monsters into the tier list.
So this update vaguely covers changes that happened in version 2.42 - 2.47 which you can see here. However, it also has general shifts based on community feedback, my changing perspective and reshuffling from new monsters entering.
Please bear in mind I didn’t have proper notes taken on the suggestions and it was thousands of posts/messages to trawl through so instead I skipped that and just did small things I remembered. Please kindly make your suggestions again if they are still relevant.
Also, I left out almost all reasoning to save myself the hours it would take to write (plus this post would be ridiculously long - 61 of the 98 mythics are moving!). I can obviously give reasoning on request. Also, I’m aware that a few of the tier lists have become top heavy (super epics both list and legendaries PvE), I’ll fix that at some point.
Some quick highlights from the version updates:
- Lots of new sound effects added
- Taunt now blocks raw-style moves
- Multi-target poison eater moves cannot target poison immune monsters
- Added another passive to a lot of older legendaries
Movements:
Mythics going up:
Coretta moves from S- → S in general
Hazuki moves from B → A in general
Excaliburdragon moves from S- → S in general and D → S- in PvP
Rhinedragon moves from A → S+ in general, D → S+ in PvP and D → B in HP boost
Luna moves from A → S in general, C → S- in PvP, second form tier 2 → tier 3 and D → B in HP boost
XYZ-999L moves from B → S in general and E → A in PvP
Vespia moves from B → A in general and A → S in PvP
Soral god bird moves from B → A in general and B → S- in PvP
Uraniumedhus moves from C → A in general and E → B in PvP
Bridalith moves from D → A in general and A → S in PvP
Rodeknight moves from E → B in general, C → B in PvP and second form tier 2 → 3
Huskegon moves from A → B in general, C → S- in PvP and second form tier 2 → 3
Yukihime moves from B → A in PvP
Azida moves from C → B in PvP and A → S in HP boost
Hawknight moves from C → B in PvP
Ankara moves from D → C in PvP and second form tier 2 → 3
Chronozillion moves from D → C in PvP
Sivanna moves from D → C in PvP and D → A in HP boost
Voidress moves from E → S- in PvP
Nightingale moves from E → B in PvP
Iridescezarc moves from E → D in PvP
Haneri moves from second form tier 2 → 1
Nyx moves from B → A in HP boost
Mythics going down:
Gorgodrake moves from S+ → S in general
Arachnadiva moves from S → S- in general
Deviladus moves from A → D in general
Tyrfina moves from B → C in general
Asmodia moves from D → E in general
Atlanachia moves from D → E in general
Sakuralisk moves from S → S- in general and S+ → S in PvP
Gremoris moves from S → S- in general, S- → A in PvP and S → A in HP boost
Botan-Douji moves from S → S- in general and A → B in PvP
Satomi moves from S- → A in general and S- → A in PvP
Goliatherion moves from S → B in general, S- → D in PvP and S → A in HP boost
Ophidiator moves from A → B in general, B → D in PvP and S → A in HP boost
Prismegasus moves from C → D in general and A → C in PvP
Onika moves from C → D in general and C → E in PvP
Focalforce moves from D → E in general and D → E in PvP
Aoi moves from E → F in general, D → E in PvP and second form tier 1 → 2
Christine moves from S → S- in PvP
Lemon moves from S → S- in PvP
Fiona moves from S → A in PvP
Berry moves from S- → A in PvP
Mechydra moves from S- → A in PvP
Plumesilisk moves from S- → A in PvP
Onyxia moves from S- → B in PvP
Suikenshi moves from S- → C in PvP
Arachnodrake moves from A → B in PvP and second form tier 1 → 2
Hu Shin moves from A → B in PvP
Kanna moves from A → B in PvP
Apollonis moves from B → C in PvP
Auraleus moves from B → C in PvP
Nikki moves from B → C in PvP
Novemdomina moves from B → C in PvP
Akane moves from C → D in PvP
Brynhildr moves from C → D in PvP
Scyberithe moves from C → D in PvP
Noircyon moves from C → E in PvP
Aethereon moves from D → E in PvP
Leira moves from D → E in PvP
Lime moves from second form tier 1 → 2
Legendaries going up:
Mantiferno moves from S → S+ in general
Soulstealer moves from S → S+ in general
Garden fairy clover moves from B → S- in general
Stormloch (s) moves from S- → S in general and A → S- in PvP
Wolhammer moves from A → S- in general and D → B in PvP
Bunkerbeast (s) moves from C → B in general and D → B in PvP, worth noting shadow sleep immunity is a really common thing now!
Bartholosar moves from E → S- in general and C → A in PvP, this is a specific build but is incredibly good when it works (50TU piercing kills on anything you like, starting at 74% speed).
Strawbaba moves from F → D in general and F → D in PvP
Cyclozar moves from F → E in general and C → S- in PvP
Shadowyrm moves from F → D in general and E → A in PvP
Gryphking moves from S- → S in PvP
Cyclozar (s) moves from B → A in PvP
Lionheart moves from C → A in PvP
Whitetitan moves from C → B in PvP
Legendaries going down:
Hanzowolf moves from S+ → S in general
Lunactia moves from S- → B in general and S → S- in PvP, enemy substitute + bugs is pretty hard to build around properly
Rhinoel moves from S+ → S in PvP
Jaguardian moves from S → S- in PvP
Tricranium moves from S → S- in PvP
Blacktitan moves from S- → A in PvP
Pitayagon moves from S- → A in PvP
Sanctistag moves from S- → A in PvP
Cephalogandr moves from A → B in PvP
Heavenswyrm moves from A → B in PvP
Terragar moves from A → B in PvP
Valzareign moves from A → B in PvP
Galliodragon (s) moves from B → C in PvP
Kamiwyrm (s) moves from B → C in PvP
Chromera moves from C → D in PvP
Deodragon moves from D → E in PvP
Ziberius moves from E → F in PvP
Super epics going up:
Phantomaiden moves from S- → S in general
Crabriel moves from C → B in general
Blizzheart moves from D → C in general
Komaguard moves from S- → S+ in general, C → S in PvP and D → B in HP boost
Inuguard moves from B → S+ in general, E → S in PvP and D → A in HP boost
Megalodragon moves from A → S in general and S- → S+ in PvP
Elfin dragon rod moves from A → S- in general and A → S in PvP
Elfin dragon hvit moves from B → A in general and B → S- in PvP
Elfin dragon gul moves from C → A in general and D → A in PvP
Muscattus moves from B → A in general and C → A in PvP
Arborgias moves from E → A in general and E → B in PvP
Akhekhion moves from S- → S in PvP
Ogremaster moves from S- → S+ in PvP
Abyssclaw moves from S- → S in PvP
Tricertalon moves from D → A in PvP, I completely missed just how strong the Leira combo would be, but this has now been nerfed heavily so it’s mostly just for fair use
Blizzheart (s) moves from F → C in PvP
Super epics going down:
Ventokaizer moves from S+ → S in general
Titanwolf moves from S → S- in general
Mapledragon moves from S+ → A in general and S+ → S- in PvP
Jocodragon (s) moves from S → S- in general and S- → C in PvP
Pyramid golem vivimid moves from S+ → S in PvP
Sharkrex moves from S+ → S in PvP
Virus dragon delta moves from S+ → S in PvP
Lavamane moves from S- → F in PvP, unable to cannibalise itself means this has no use in PvP over alternatives
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wolhammer going up? could you please explain why?
ps rhinedragon in S+ on both places,in general i could understand cause guard of midas is incredible in hellmode with aurodragon but still,why in PVP?
Some of those movements are ridiculous but I won’t even start since ultimately it does not matter at all what this list is.
Its Really painfull see this 
. He was my strongest myth ,and also my first awakened myth. He is become bad even they not nerf it ,tanky PVP meta really kill him.
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i am one of rhinedragons biggest advocates an i don’t think people realise just how strong he is however i think he should be S tier for PvP. S+ for PvE makes complete sense. he can be a really good sweeper with the ability to heal himself while being protected by his summons. but his lack of sleep or stun immunity holds him back from being S+ imo. he can however purify himself from poison.
I’m probably going to awaken it next. Bloodserve and Guard of Midas was a fantastic upgrade!
She’s easily A tier
Tanky+Piercing Payback without weakness+Void Blood skill+also can remove token and fight AP spam
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Better Donrilla imo, 59tu/42tu critical skill always available
I was a bit too harsh on him on release. He’s not gone super high, just a reasonable adjustment to what is probably more fair.
So instead you write a nothing post? Please do share some of your opinions, it’s useful information and I wrote above how I couldn’t go through all the messages from recent months so there’s probably a bunch of opinions people shared that I intended to factor in but forgot about.
Yeah Sivanna is one I’m a little unsure of, it’s still early days on the buff. She’s definitely better than Dragulus but I think she very much needs to backbite something. I was always a fan of using her as a tool to play a high speed situational monster that you intend to backbite if it doesn’t line up. She works great for that, plus might simply be a nightmare to remove and a top choice for negating revenges.
I’m hesitant to get too hyped though, since you’re unlikely to get a kill without backbite, there’s no immunities and she doesn’t have low TU sweeping. So basically nothing standing out as super powerful other than void sweeping and DR that isn’t countered by payback killer.
I was honestly amazed there wasn’t a lot of talk about Rhinedragon after it got buffed. It became the best monster in the game for a short time, until the next update they made it create 1 cursed goldoid rather than 2. I stayed quiet because I was going to ask for it to be nerfed (didn’t get around to it in time, they luckily caught it quickly).
Basically it’s consistently killing every 50-70TU while healing itself off hold ground. It also creates a DR protector that’s going to both make Rhinedragon harder to kill and cause a significant nuisance to your opponent. Literally the only two things holding it back are low speed and low defence. A lack of sleep/stun immunity really isn’t a big deal when you’re sweeping at this kind of low TU, getting to choose whichever enemy you like each time. With any acceleration or behind protection it’s an easy win condition.
Okay I will, but don’t feel attacked by any of those. You made the movements based on the current state of the game? I mean, including last update right?
Janne playing it in frontline ignoring his entrance should be enough of a sign if it is strong.
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So why is Giehretus not being ranked already? I know it got nerfed hard on the second form and a little on awakened but it still warps the game around it with good enough skills that it is not a deadweight. I remember it being released when I last quit which was months ago and there is still no evaluation on it?
is it because of terrorize being a good disruption alongside leech supporting hold ground PLUS poison immunity getting a niche buff?
Of course not. I welcome people’s opinions just not personal attacks on me, random rude comments about the tier list or frustration because the change they wanted didn’t happen. Yes these movements are up to the latest game update.
As explained in this tier list update and the last, the new monsters will be added in a third update. I split it up.
Poison immunity doesn’t matter here, what matters is terrorise is pretty good and I didn’t properly evaluate Wolhammer with that move versus what other monsters were doing in D tier in PvP. I bumped Wol up in PvE because 100TU piercing killing is very nice and Wol’s ability to heal is more than I gave it credit for.
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imo he should be moved up in PvP also. having a sleep immune monster with instant purify is a lot better than people seem to realise.