I have to disagree. In addition to the better survivability and higher damage, with Doomengine it’s so easy to set up 150 sec twin bomb with blood clone next + stealth teammate. With the second form you have to do some awkward skipping. And like you mentioned the 100 sec bomb actually makes a big difference as it can also clear camouflage monsters. Also does the second form even have poison immunity?
Right, absolutely. I’m just saying that 3rd form w/ the SS unlocked is a 14-cost monster, versus 8-cost for Wraithengine (2nd form)… which is only one higher cost-wise than a Musashoid. If you’re trying to cram a bunch of 16-cost mons onto a team then he offers an awfully good bang for the buck.
Obviously his survivability is better in 3rd form, and obviously the SS adds a lot of options. No question. I’m just pointing out that his second form still has shield entrance + clone + twin bomb, and even in 2nd form twin bomb can one-shot buffed enemies… so, in my opinion, he does a fine job serving his purpose even as a “bargain” monster on the team.
Which, currently, makes him more useful to me in 2nd form than in 3rd form. In 3rd form he’s competing against Angelion or Vigziarid or Hanzo or Tenebris for a spot on the team, whereas in 2nd form he’s competing against rocks and 4-star mons and cheap throws. Anyway, I guess my point here is that I don’t know of any other legends that actually more or less fulfill their design purpose in 2nd form, which makes him rather unique in that regard.
Praying for kd to get some free time lol
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Lol, the todo list is building very quickly.
Quick takes on the newest:
Stellaurum is strong but very slow. Too slow. I have no idea how to rate this.
Cyclophena is a solid addition and can make some good kills, but other than her even/odd attacks, the availability of the other three is just luck based. She is also slow, but vigorous stance adds a lot of survivability. A tier maybe?
Anyone else got a hot take
My gut says Stellaurum is D-F and Cyclophina is roughly B tier.
What pushes Stellaurum low is there are simply a bunch of mythics that flat-out outclass it and it’s basically at a similar level to Razoray, which is a B-tier legendary.
Cyclophina is similar to Otomaid where it’s got nice piercing attacks but lining them up is unreliable. Otomaid is B tier.
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Sorry you misspelled S++ octopus waifu is just peak
Only because of design tho 
Cool monster art/flavour designs get bonus points in our hearts, but not in the tier list
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Ignore me read general not pvp miss click go brrr
Yeah I read your deleted post and glad to see I’ve already done what you said 
I am considering Gyomurai going a tier higher (S- → S) because, like you say, the extra damage on overconfident strike is genuinely very useful against what we see in the meta these days. I moved it up one tier when the buff happened I think, but the way things are shaping out it could go higher.
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Oooooh damn mod powers exposed me ahahah
I dont know if id bumb him up from S- tbh i think what he does is great but alot of S tier simply just offers more than he does
I have him at +9 and i find him great but i dont think he offers the same lvl of controll as a bauble or malwing or lunatica nor is he as reliable of doing something as a inferni or alba or geocorn feks
So even if i enjoy him i think he does fine in S-
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As a gymorai user he is s- not s.
Thanks guys. I was considering it because a Gyomurai user tried to convince me it should be higher. Since people are swinging both ways and I feel like ultimately it’s mostly a monster for link water teams I’ll keep it where it is.
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I totally agree with the otomaid comparison, I was thinking the exact same thing. Only reason I said A rather than B is the Vigorous Stance + healing attack, which keeps it on the field for twice as long and gives extra chances for the attacks with weird crit conditions.
I still don’t understand how is she is B. I faced her in about 10 battle. All the time she used small tu piercing move and killed my half entire team. How she works I am still consfused. She is completely broken.
What are you playing? All link and raw? I think against most teams she can kill a couple of monsters then gets stuck waiting to find a target and she often won’t actually get to kill the thing you want to.
I’d rank otomaid at S- tier. Its high speed and piercing moves make it really powerful when it has enough targets. Overall it usually has a decent amount of targets to choose from so it’s probably too situational for S tier and also too strong of a sweeper for B tier.
Bro I just realized. How is geomagnus worse than terrordragon?
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I would drop the rating for the following monsters
Rosegeist
Trimaegus
Albakhan
Bloomeluga
Leogeist
Magmagund
Malwing
Raizen
Rocolossus
Baphogouge
Blacktitan
Kattmmander
I would move up the following monsters
Geocosma
Infernicorn
Arcticlaws
Ashterios
Spectrophin
Otomaid
In PvP lists?
Same link stuffs.link Water at and link storm at eg