Let’s talk strictly UC since that’s where the discussion has centralised to. Generally gear is definitely better to use but how would you deal with bane/keeper/nectar? I’m assuming you use clover, hunter, gear and protector. When bane comes in it’s more or less game over. Similiarly when bunker or saber comes in it could be bad as well.
Nebel armies don’t care about them. At most with bane/keeper you lose 4 clones from poison entrance. If you have a considerable army size this shouldn’t be a problem.
The problem you bring up is making the army. I’ll agree that it is slow and tedious but if you have 30+ nebels then it is more or less a guaranteed win for you.
Sleep rng allows failure in this but as i said before it shouldn’t be too convenient to do this (Outside the flutters). That’s partially why they changed atra’s necromancy. It was abused in early UCs when nebel was actually bad with duplicate. Still players did exceptionally well.
If you still want a buff due to individual performance, then by that logic i want emerald and polar to get buffs then.
I don’t want it to seem as if i have a hidden agenda against you. So i’ll leave it at that.
I have shockers lined up after my sleeplock(gear, protector, snooze, snooze,) such that if bane comes in, I’ll make sure the protector dies and then the line gets stunned past 300 seconds, then I just skip, and the poisoned monsters die. Problem solved.
Yeah, I do think polareon needs a buff. 50 seconds on nightmares grip, or something besides dreamy entrance.
That’s a nice fix for the problem but I can see it having trouble if they have any stun absorber or even just a stun immune monster there. The Nebel/Cosmo duplicating with sleep lock is literally the only way to totally guarantee a win with sleep lock. I might have to try out the flutters once I get this new one from UC because the 50TU 100% sleep means you can literally guarantee a sleep lock as long as you set up the monsters beforehand.
I agree with TheGreatest when he says how with all this talk of them being lacklustre in a particular field there are other legendaries you could say exactly the same for. Emeraldeus is one which people love to say is an awesome monster yet it’s pretty much just for UC and when combo-ed with a strong sleep line-up (aka specific legendaries) then Polareon is literally terrible outside of UC and again in UC requires so much other stuff. I also find it a little silly when everyone calls for Prisma buffs when he’s basically an upgraded version of Shurikaizer which has apparently been fine since its release. Each monster has their place and I think the DR duplicators are perfectly fine how they are, we just wish they did more.
@TheGreatest I’d be really interested to see your UC team actually, since you’re 2nd place this time. I’m currently bouncing around 8th-13th with my team. My team is a horrible mis-match of different monsters right now which kinda works but could probably be optimised better… I added in Gear and Reven this time without really changing the team so haven’t totally sorted out the order or seen how it works.
I will say that emerald and polareon can do more than nebel though. While they aren’t the most powerful, they still can contribute. In a link water team, polareon can put half your team to sleep, and you can then proceed into sleeplock or set something else up.
Emerald is at least incredibly good at being survivable. Shield and camouflage makes it very hard to kill.
Both of them have things to contribute to their team.
Nebel really doesn’t do anything for their team. Just sweeps slowly, 170 seconds a kill that only happens at the end of the game, and is random. Doesn’t contribute at all.
I cant understand why some guys say nebel/cosmo doesnt need any buff i really tryed make my nebel work but damn he sucks
1st big mistake i UE him to last form (tk food) they love him its tasty
2nd i cant understand why a protector monster have 5600atk wich is the stats of a sweeper and not 5400def instead
3rd blood duplicate needs to go their main use is at UC wich means 2 aoes and (example) 8 clones will die and hit 2-3 monsters iff we are lucky
4th nebel SS was desined by a guy with a potato on brains place
5th they are slow AF they cant even make a clone @Dev_VKC
Give cosmo/nebel
50%speed
Blood clone next
Protect teammates
Assisted wave (all)
Pull back
Cosmo SS is good
Give nebel saving spell
Second wing or
Pure cure plus
I use Nebel with flutter green and yellow in UC at one point I had 14 nebels and only 6 enemies left when nebels started coming in. I lost because due to aoe two times my 4 nebels died and only targeted one enemy and that’s why Nebel deserves a buff. Dr is good but it gets easily stopped by shields and hug and this crap of targeting a single enemy and that’s why Nebel needs to get a buff Nebel who is a sole UC mom even fails here
I quite like him becoming TK food because it means he gets targeted and killed by a single-target attack.
I’ve seen you mentioning this before, about how they should have high defence instead. Their design is to be killed off, protect is just there to force enemies into killing it. Having high damage + assisted hit all is great because then they can actually do something while they’re alive (not in UC of course). If their damage was lowered if would be a negative.
(5) If they were too fast they’d be a nightmare to deal with. They’re already awkward because you’ve either got to instantly take a DR or leave them to get turns where they create a duplicate then eventually force you to take a DR anyway.
I think the reason why Nebel/Cosmo don’t have blood clone NEXT is because it was deemed too strong to combo this with something like Aurodragon or Atrahasis. Right now you’d have to do it as a backline which typically isn’t such a good place for Aurodragon. However, maybe this could be a potential buff… to make them blood clone next and do no other changes. I think everyone would still moan just as much as they do now, but their viability would have been increased dramatically.
I look forward to the day when we don’t get threads on Nebel and Cosmo. When I read all the comments from people it seems to be people without many legendaries expecting Nebel/Cosmo to somehow work as a protector monster or to guarantee trades like 4-to-1. Or they’re from veterans with many great legendaries that can’t use their less good ones any more because they don’t have the combos they need to make them viable. We all have an opinion to voice but please listen to others too, like GaryOak who is more experienced with death revenge than anyone else.
Just change ss of nebel into saving spell, that’s it.
Both cosmo & nebel are great as they are.
Bloodclone will ruin them, if necessary give bloodclone to nebel but not to Cosmo !!!
Haha yeah I’m glad you agree. I was politely pointing out the fact it hasn’t been buffed in this way because it “was deemed too strong” but I was trying to humour the idea. There are many ways the DR duplicators could be buffed that would make them too strong and they’re good how they are. Nobody will ever appreciate your favourite monsters GaryOak. Some of my favourites are ones people hate too
Hahaha let me go grab a coffee and do my finger stretches so I’m ready to fight back against this one. You know me too well
Actually maybe what I should do is start making daily threads asking for buffs to strong legendaries I have which are good anyway but I’d, you know, like to see them OP so I can beat everyone. I’ll see if I can bring as much bias into it saying things like “Bovolcus was my first legendary and was so bad for a whole year I need compensation by him getting more of a buff. He needs stunning entrance and double bloodthirst is too slow so make it 100TU”.
No way, lifeflip friend is so useless without hold ground. You’re lying!!
Btw I’d like to point out to anyone reading this thread that me, TheGreatest and MokeyDLufy are all in the top 20 of the UC leaderboard right now. I don’t ever want to seem boastful or arrogant but when we’re talking about Nebel/Cosmo being used in UC I think our leaderboard positions goes to show we have a fairly good idea of the strength of Nebel/Cosmo being used in here.
Sigh, I’m done. This thread makes me want to bash my head against the wall. People that don’t want nebel buff aren’t even trying to see from another viewpoint.
