Monsters that need buffs (input needed)

No, you kill him once, then you kill the egg. That would be 2 total death revenges. Then the death revenges would stop.

Of course, both the egg and nebel will have burnsalot’s speed. So it would be 160 seconds between revenges.

Dont think of it in terms of tu.
Death revenge is a random kill, which can kill every monster no mater how high the def and hp (leave aside HG), bypass protectors, and can really mess up the enemy team.
Its not just how many TU are there between kills, there are other factors to deal with.

Think of uc, if you play against one of them, it will bump the difficulty by a bunch. There is no running from the death revenge, and there ahould be a way to avoid it (or a part of it), just like other monsters (like burnsalot you compared - maybe it 160 sec for 2 kills but you can avoid him by killing him at least). Death revnge aint got much counters beside knockback, so need to be dealt carwfully.

However, with phoenix revenge you can just ignore the nebelronix. Then kill him when convenient. The difference between nebel and other sweepers is that the death revenge can be taken when convenient. Also, keep in mind that death revenge can be used against you. As I showed in my other post.

Death revenge also has to deal with hold ground and hp sharing. With those two you can kill any amount of nebels without worrying about them anymore.

I never use switch places.
I use them as a once off protector mid-team, with a healer like heavenwyrm at the end of my team

Give me my man Atra a buff! He doesn’t have a single passive?

He doesnt have a single use

Exactly why he needs a buff

I agree mate

Wolfro buff
I think this could work pretty good

Stealth
Sneack atack 130sec
Timestrike
Desperate bite
Passives
Stealth entrance
Hold ground

So you want to turn him into a Rattlewyrm clone? You know Rattle is on the buff list too, right? Which means that he’s a terrible monster too. So modeling wolfrozor after him really doesn’t seem it would do him any favors. And before you say it, stealth entrance and high speed are really not going to affect him in a profound way.

K so what you propose for him? He looks amazing and he deserves a good move set just like the others starters

List updated: Atrahasis, Aurodragon, Deathgazer, Hellfox, Jingledragon, Oakthulhu, Tridrakhan, Valzareign, and Warca/Bazil have all been freed from their low tier prisons. :slight_smile: Although I’m holding off on Bovolcus, Rexo/Kami and Utopion for now until I’m fully convinced that they’re able to function satisfactorily, because tbh I’m not sure they’re out of the woods yet.

Edit- Sadly, these 3 are going to have to stay on the list. The changes were nice, but they didn’t really fix the underlying problems. Rexo/Kami are still total wet noodles, Utopion still has a very awkward moveset, and bolv is as much of a headache to set up as ever. And I’m really not sure how Slayerbane is even supposed to help his case at all honestly.

I still think atra should get camouflage passive. Rexo is also still questionable. But hey not complaining though!

At least rexo has a niche now.

Warca is balanced. He is awesome now. :slight_smile: Stealth all makes this lineup very hard to break:

Frostrider
Drakozord Z
Armavolt
Soulstealer
Warca
Lavaronix

Swap into healer/purifier.

Same with tridrakhan, his secret skill is a 50 second dual poison touch with benefits. Also, he can kill things now in 1 hit. Meaning drakozord and aegisdragon have something to keep them in check.

Slayerbane on bovulcus helps stop sweeps. Meaning that with 99% speed he can come in and instantly annihilate a sweeper. Then he gets to deathmatch mode.

I think purifying mist would of been better for warca than auro

I was thinking, does anyone feel like shocking entrence guys need a small buff push?
Because beside their AWESOME passive, all they have good that left is send back. And dont forget that stun is very common and also the counters for that.
Timestrike will help on pvp against 1 enemy at max, and other then that they just sit there without an offensive / supportive active moves

For Bolvocus, they should’ve just removed the time restriction for dmm and replace aoe with slayerbane. :3 anyway thank goodness my Jingle can start sweeping right away and warca is now more defensive. :slight_smile:

By next update please buff Wolfrozor, maybe some super-epics, Dolphoenix, Prisma (only passive, i think Icefang’s passive would be awesome for Prisma: Stunt Double, Rockoid killed, Prisma comes in and have directly turn, slayerbane and then again, again…)and Nightlord/Celestrion Step Back instead of Send Back, because you need then an extra monster to sweep places for Nightlord/Celestrion and so you don’t need extra monster with sweep places.

No, the passive is already rediculously powerful. And due to sendback they don’t interrupt your team.

I dont know, it feels kinda old and powerfull for the past.
Nowdays every second monster have stun flash/blitz or whatever to set powerfull attacks/stall time. And thats 100 sec stun (not far from 160) that you can choose when to active. Thats a big deal considering that alot of the meta right now has stun immue / absorders / conventor / leo’s thing and etc. I mean, its more common then it used to be. for a shocking entrence guy, which doesnt always get to choose when to enter and active the stun, he doesnt to reliable. If you counter it passive you counter all of it, absolutly no other use for him. And it happens very often.

And yea, i know, his passive is one of the most powerfull in the game, but still - easy counterable, and if he get countered - he is useless.

Just feel they are on the line from being awesome to being useless, and rely to much on the enemy lineup.

Why not a SS of shield ally / accelarate teamate (not team, to much i think), before it gets send back?