Will everyone chill out! Jeeeze. New(ish) to the forums. Didn’t think i’d touch such a nerve 
Ashamed is a bit strong lol. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion and the forums should be a safe place to discuss them. I’m sorry for my blasphemous, politically incorrect statements regarding a Tortoise and roider fish. 
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Personally i think gyo and magma are incredibly strong, but counterable.
Tort i hate more, dont know if i can say he is stronger or anything, but he is defenitly something i dont want to see in this game - a pure and huge power creeped monster…
And im suprised no one mentioned the new roaring link faststrike guy. I had a really hard time against this guy, and i really think he is op. With zib its a 80% speed faststrike - kill who ever he want. And spare me the link exuses, on top lvl pvp everyone got enough water monsters to do a decent team for him, as he can fit perfectly in almost any (water) team you build - the beuty of roaring… i really cant think of a decent counter to him.
P.S. make my triv useable 
so many good water links latly and i stuck with this crap when i tried to make a water link for ages
that weak monster you guys cry for anything i always kill him with poison or some week monster
Well… this is going to sound rude and disrespectiful so im going to try to say this in as nice a way possible. Since you have set up criteria under which we are allowed to speak. So here are my my qualifications for getting to hold the talking stick…
I did beat you the other day in the tourney (I know, just once, and im not saying im even half as good as you as im clearly not). i was top 60 for a few hours before a 5 game losing streak sank me way out of there. And did finish 65th in UC - not sure if that quite makes the criteria or not, but hopefully shows I’m not completely clueless…
Magma has no actual counters. Like hes not susceptible to chrono, sleep, toxic, stun, protector killer. He doesnt require stealth. He doesnt require set up. He doesnt even really require a protector. And he has an unlimited sweeping move that doesnt require a charge. And he heals himself pretty quickly.
In contrast Bb is one shotted by just about anything thats charged or 80% charged, and doesnt have HG nor can it heal itself. And requires a kill before he can start sweeping.
I would take and fear Magma over BB any day. Just saying.
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@Boiler you’re absolutely entitled to your opinion and good man for voicing it. Although I am a top 50 the point of saying you need to be one to have an opinion is wrong. People shouldn’t be so agro. Peace and love 
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Honestly tort is good But to slow to be effective. I seem to be the only person in this entire game that can build a team without any form of stun entrance or a shocker that all my tort does is absorb stun before he can even use protect because he is so slow making him an absolute dead weight. I took him out my team because he makes every match a 3 v 4 when he is stunned to oblivion
Give turn, protect, and thats all you need. Dont forget that the thing that gonna kill him usually will be a sweeper (unlike killing horror at HG), so its a sweeper down for enemy and sweeper up for you
I would rather give turn to one of my sweepers over one of my protectors.i get tort guarantees a kill but still is no better than giving it to a sweeper. I have tort and do not even use this ‘over powered’ monster
- Magma needs to be charged
- High recoil damage
- DS already nerfed from 50s to 100s
- except DS his high dmg ATTACKS ARE RANDOM TARGET (which can cause a lot mess)
if you want to nerf his surviveability you have to remove the rng, because that’s the reason for his strength on the other side.
Just wait a week or two devs will release a new monster to counter them just make sure your wallet is ready.
Next monster to be released 70tu slayerbane with assisante.
Passives
Excessive force
Death counter ( where he counter death revenge monsters)
There you go guys now you have magma gyo turtle counter. You just need 300 gems and hope not to get the other featured mechamoji that is released with this monster.
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Haha thats awesome.
I don’t even know why turtle and oni is being discussed as op
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When you kill tort with midas (ss unlocked ) & enemy has mecha waiting to use team turn 
I repeat magma killed a water tank legend after one kill with 6-7k damage, HOW TF it’s even possible.
I have been defending like crazy magma dosent require a nerf. Period.
But now honestly I do feel like it needs a nerf in that regard. It should not kill a water legend with that much damage.
And Guys, please leave Oni alone. That guy is just olrite. It’s not OP
Compare it with a charged bloddfury. That kills everything as well with just one charge. But unlike bloodfury it has high recoil and the targeting is random. I think that more than justifies it - even if it would be stronger than bloodfury.
Naming no names… guys let’s not be elitist here. Let people rant about the monsters they struggle against. Every monster mentioned here has a reasonably legitimate case to be made about it. I’d like to remind you all how when Tortogeist was released there were top players calling it the most OP thing to come to the game and now there are top players saying they don’t understand why people are calling it OP.
Everyone should have a voice. It’s not all about PvP and certainly not all about the top 50 PvP players. I am sure that the people outside of the top PvP positions have way more better things to say than those 50 people. It helps to see how some of these monsters work in the best PvP teams but you don’t have to see it to have a clue.
P.S. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have another nerf to Magma in the future. Something like a TU increase to 100 on the beserk moves. Right now he is devastating and harder to deal with than most other monsters. Poison is your friend when you see him!
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Haven’t played in a tournament in probably a year, don’t know what you’re talking about.
UC is monster dependant. I could reach top 50 if I really really wanted to. Do I? Not especially.
Delugazar counters him.
Stealth counters him.
Penguinator counters him.
Protectors counter him.
Shields counter him.
Sleep counters him.
Poison counters him.
Here’s 7 things that counter him and this isn’t even an exhaustive list. If you have 0 of these in your team, then that must be one heck of a team.
The only reason a monster should be nerfed is if you have to specifically build any competitive team with him in mind.
This is why motor got nerfed, no team could be successful without an answer to him.
This is why azra lines got nerfed, you had to have specific monsters in your frontline to win it.
Gazer back when he was absolutely sick as well.
Magma, turtle, gyo are countered by playing well and taking them into account during the match. Just like any other monster. Like delugazar, shiva, dusicyon, etc. . .
Top 50 pvp means that you know what most of the monsters do, their effects on tempo, turn order, material advantage, etc. . . And you know exactly the cap on how powerful each monster actually is when used to it’s full potential. Along with this, you also know how to mitigate power spikes of a monster, how to mitigate uncertainty, etc. . .
Below top 50-60, you have stuff to learn. You know this.
A mitigated magmarinus is more useless than a stunned nebelronix.
You know all this killerdog. A lot of complaining is an emotional response instead of a logical one.
Most of complaints I see here are “he is more powerful”. No one here who has complained has even attempted to touch on the things I have mentioned above.
That’s a pretty loose definition of “counter”. You’re basically listing ways to kill/disable him which work for practically every monster in the game. You should probably add “damage counters him” to the list 
Poison is probably the only proper “counter” to him and that goes for anything with hold ground. You can’t really say excessive force is because that requires lining up an attack with a specific monster in the ~50s you have before its first turn.
Motor didn’t need specific counters. People just had slower front lines in general and didn’t mess around with things that could “handle” Motor without actually having a full on counter. Azra didn’t need specific counters either, it was just one of the best front lines at the time and unfortunately was too aggressive that it won too many battles.
Gazer was actually broken, allowing for faster TTs in the front line and making it possible to win matches against seriously good teams without them getting a single turn that they could actually do something with.
Both Magma and Gyo I think offer a bit too much and are a bit too hard to deal with. It’s the combination of both those things which makes them a huge pain to face and many would call OP.
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Okay so if you get knocked out of the top 50-60 players do all your opinions become void, because clearly you can’t keep up with the superior knowledge others have about the monsters? I might have to keep a closer check on your leaderboard positions
I’m just trying to point out how ridiculous you’re coming across. Let’s seriously not push people out of the conversation simply on their in-game ranking. People may say some silly stuff but being rude back at them is far worse.
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