That’s definitely a great setup! It covers a lot of the potential counters. The layers of protection here do well and Nagandia opening the enemy team up for control no doubt works very nicely. I don’t want to be too picky, but I feel like Vixian is the centre piece of that team rather than Nagandia.
I wonder what types of things Lava finds it doesn’t work well against. Some RNG aspects of it will definitely come into play for things that either try to attack around Plumesilisk or are like Carmillette where they take out the Balancion.
I was just twisting your words around on yourself. What you said about Charybdia came from a place of inexperience. Genuinely impressive job on your PvP success and I’m glad you enjoy playing it so much
I don’t remember your suggestions in the past but I definitely don’t go in with preconceived notions. Those nerf ideas all look pretty sensible, many matching exactly what I’ve pitched myself on this forum. I’d do a few differently like Albion the “gen” move is the bit I’d target.
Getting into those kinds of measuring contests are silly. Besides, knowing how to building PvP teams for the current meta and play them well is a different skill to understanding how to balance monsters.
Also, not sure what measurement of experience you’re using there because if we’re talking full insight into monsters and balancing then picking a player like Lemon who’s not been playing for years (apart from very occasionally) and often says how he doesn’t know what any of the new monsters do is clearly a wrong choice (no disrespect to Lemon, a great PvP player in his day).
Anyway, the point of the discussion I was getting involved with was Nagandia and my opinion was basically I think she’s a weird choice to pick for a nerf. It looks like the community is split on it, but there are definitely a few with strong opinions that Nagandia is broken.
He’s talking about the fl I last shared on YouTube. Akane,vixian,balancion,plume fl
There will be arbustodon or other threats there, so you need to play many sacrifice skills while playing Balancion. Otherwise, the opponent will use Balancion as dead weight. In the version I used in the rank, I added the second form brida to the 5th row. The reasons for this are to give the opponent tu after the balancion sacrifice, purify mist against sleep and His biggest task is to disrupt the opponent chary’s move that applies a bind to balancion with exile. Nagandia is in 6th place, daunt and protector conversion play a big role.Yes, the real control monster there is vixian. That’s the right guess
There are a lot of teams there and to summarize, usually albion teams or if balancion sleep is 0 sleep, there can be difficult moments.
It is unwise to talk about weakening without considering the gaming environment. We should explore why monsters that have been released for several years have become a problem. Obviously, the construction of the game environment now is caused by these three monsters
I really hope this doesn’t mean Vixian needs a nerf, it would be a huge disappointment if even perfectly balanced and not overused monsters started getting unnecessary nerfs, even with things like Pandora and the ridiculous Astrajlith still around.
Ive seen a Vixian Albion Nagandia arbustodon too many times,
nagandia sets up the daunt, albion replaces something with the useless protector, vixian kills whoever/ sacrifices arbustodon to bring in something else and still has the seconds to kill something after morphing
ive also seen the variation with a slow monster instead of vixian to counter mort lineups like rhine
this setup counters mort, e.d, c.w,link water doesnt do much cause of gravity field/no weaknesses
by link water i mean the typical unicera + fish setups with celestdragon or aoi at 5th
This is how I’d expect the strong Nagandia FLs to look. Similar to how some other control monsters are… what you want is fast stuff to mess up the enemy setup then your control monster lets you carry that advantage on for a bit.
In Nagandia’s case that’s easy to see how it would work because you remove anything 61%+ speed that could stop Nagandia doing daunt then you push everything back to give you a little time to chain more attacks. The difficulty is finding the right high speed stuff that catches all cases. For the “low speed” monster you want a low TU sweeper like Rhinedragon, Kirina or Selene. Vixian is an even better choice than those because she provides gravity field and the low TU backstab move gives you flexibility for the setup and lets you set up your team how you’d like.
The version with Berry I’d be more afraid of. Albion seems like an odd choice for the setup, I feel like it’s only there because it’s showcasing how overpowered it is in pretty much any team haha. Only having Arbustodon to interact with the enemy team feels a little too fragile to call the setup overpowered, but clearly it’s been proving strong and Bridalith 5th helps support any FL setup ridiculously well.
You have Nagandia pushing your monsters 80 secs back and then bridalith coming in 5th pushing your next monster back another 100 secs. It’s worse than stun because you can’t avoid those pushes with stun protection. All of that unrestricted from the start sounds wrong to me.
Question for the F2P players out there. Do you really expect every release between one anniversary and the next to be mediocre and not shake up the meta at all? That does not sound healthy for the long-term benefit of the game.
All I care about is seeing this game thrive, so I get why they create problems and then sell the solutions for them. Astra comes out, then along comes VOID Detox on Alyce. That cycle is fine if both the second form and awakened form are actually balanced properly
Nagandia
Albion
Voidress
Arbustodon or prismegasus
Bridal 5th spot
Both fl ranked top 5 same season I finished 20th that one and I was so pissed off because I did know what it was coming and I couldn’t build anything reliable to compete got destroyed every single time
I think they mean protector icon like RAW not working under taunt but since both of those moves on a mythic, they wouldn’t nerf it like that for no reason lol
