For the 10% of the player base who perform proper testing and counter assessments before requesting nerfs, there is no issue and I encourage this type of discourse!
For the other 90% who request nerfs without doing any testing, assessments, etc., or complain because they simply don’t have the mon, do some homework. Come back with informed opinions and suggested alternatives that benefit the game, not just their own position and/or collection.
Complaining without proposing what you think is a fix is a worthless exercise.
But people suggested reasonable “nerfs” for both Shi Na and Isoldelle (also zomboid)? Do we people not get to have an opinion if they don’t own the monster especially since it is a mythic?
I’ve seen plenty of reasonable nerf suggestions here. If someone is uninformed, explain why that’s the case instead of writing it off by saying they need to adapt instead, which is essentially saying they should just get better at the game. That also cuts out the informed players that lack the collection to counter whatever broken strat is in question.
Edit: actually the main problem I have is that isoldelle, zomboid, and shi na to a lesser extent (not gonna talk about nyx rn) are all obviously unbalanced so you’re just telling players to suck it up instead of wanting a more balanced pvp meta.
Isoldelle - almost guaranteed to get a lot of kills and has the best revenge passive that can also be triggered by allies. What happened to death revenge only happening when it’s activated by an enemy mon?
Zomboid - 50% is way too high. It was way too high for goldoid, which was far weaker even when it had a 50% revival rate.
Shi na - idk honestly it’s just really annoying that’s all
Your next ranked team that will score another top spot definetely has just those balanced strats , because anything fresh that we got this year is unbalanced and has 0 counters to it.
I don’t see how that’s relevant. But you’re right, I’m perfectly fine with using broken strats to get top spots. It’s just that you won’t be finding me making bad faith arguments for why the broken strats I use aren’t broken.
i honetly just feel like asking for nerfs right after releases is a bad habit as things have yet to get fully emeraged into a meta. if it becomes to oppressive after a season or three then we can go back to it and consider but like a week or 2 after release or half a day (rat) is just to soon to start tweaking
personal opinion
PS: i am not here to defend anything i own or dont own keep me out of such discussions. thank you
Have we even played a full season to see how these mons perform in real life? Nope. It’s just a bunch of people who think they know what they’re talking about but haven’t used/faced them enough to know fact from fiction.
Btw this is not me saying no buffs or nerfs are needed - I agree with some. But the nonstop complaining is childish and not productive when we’ve barely had any time to test them competitively.
Think about how much more useful this forum would be if instead of complaining about the same things over and over, we used it to brainstorm counters and new strategies. A pipe dream, I know.
I think a better answer would be taking less than a full season to determine whether a piercing death revenge that targets all enemies that have a kill and can be triggered by your allies is broken or not. And if that’s not an answer for you, don’t act like everyone else who doesn’t take that long is talking out of their asses just because they didn’t have to wait a full season before making up their minds on an obviously broken passive.
I will agree to test out a season before asking for nerf or buff, only if the devs are actually trying to balance the game.(Patch it next season instead waiting for 69 season)
Rat, instantly the top spot most used after being released.
Ppl don’t need to test it for a season to know that this thing is broken.
If we look it by fact,
The highest daunt with the cheapest cost.
The first roaring aoe control.
Those are insanely strong.
After trying to balance the game mechanic (stun)???
Needing to wait a full season is generally a good idea from the perspective of someone who’s in charge of game balance since getting something wrong would have massive consequences on the game. That’s separate from this, where players are just voicing their opinions on whatever mon is possibly unbalanced.
If someone jumped to a conclusion because they didn’t wait long enough, feel free to point that out and explain the part they’re wrong about. But if someone didn’t need that much time to come to a conclusion, there’s nothing you can do if that conclusion is actually right. This is also somewhat of a special case because isoldelle’s passive is so obviously broken. Same with lancerat. There honestly isn’t a need for the devs to wait a full season or more for those two since this is practically bordering on common sense.
Dev Bo: ok let’s make it 120tu for 150sec and make sure it can be use twice.
Don’t forget to add roaring entrance and that unnecessary stuff with ss’s description.
@Dev_VKC likewise, as the poison eater was adjusted with respect to the immune ones, I think they should do something with Zephyramus, Apollonis, Maeve… those moves that do critical or piercing damage without having a target for it just because they have an attack boost In the past there was talk about Maeve but it never came to anything now that there are more of them, I think it is an issue to take into account.
, because anything fresh that we got this year is unbalanced and has 0 counters to it.
this is da real goat !