Okay, so lets say that the whole idea behind Nyx was to slow down FLs. Based on the devs statistics, a small amount of top players own her, hence her impact on team building is not going to be big enough for smaller players to stop running FL since over 90% of players they face don’t own Nyx. Now, if the devs released an event SE with that moveset, I would believe the intention was to reduce FL speed meta. But right now, running Nyx is all reward, no risk. Would you be onboard of having an SE monster released with Fermata so everyone will have to lower their speeds?
Refer to my reply above, same question to you.
It’s like Lancerat, it’s great now that not everyone is running him (although definitely more people have him than Nyx) but if the devs don’t nerf him, next egg everyone will target him and you kill diversity for good. Same with Nyx, next egg more people will get her, since she has no counters it’s okay to run her, causing less variety. Does it make sense to you how in the long run it will be a problem?
Now, as a money grabbing strategy, maybe it’s great for devs, but the nerf is inevitable in the future without a viable counter.
Enjoy debating, surely in a few hours the frustrated person will come to close the thread
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You said: since what it does now is ensure that it hinders fast fls and makes them much riskier to execute. You’re absolutely right there, I’m paying the consequences of playing FL quickly and it’s still going well for me, but there’s supposed to be balance, right? So what are the risks of playing with the formation that nyx requires?
I mean, fast FL if nyx comes out suffers a big penalty, but right now tell me a slow FL that is feasible to play and that can stand up to a fast FL without being nyx.
Nyx balances in part that they evaluate the risks when putting in fast monsters but what would the balance be for her? Currently there are none, since losing 1 or 2 mostly mythical monsters before they play does not imply much, since the problem is in the seconds you used and what comes in the reinforcements, VKC said that it is more difficult to use nyx because it requires a more complex team construction, but we are talking about there being players who have that, so by having the majority of the monsters at your disposal you would be almost invincible? Where is the part that is worth creativity, because for the majority of F2p that is what is left to face these teams
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U lucky,your Vixen get countered by legend/myth. My all mighty Xyz (Thats how some PPL describe him) get countered
By SE and nearly all stun counter/converter in Neo that not used in Fl! 
Like my Carmilla and Momo that get eaten by pretty much anything that moves.
a month ago coltraz uploaded how broken my FL was even though apollorexus didn’t play anymore after accelerating and that onixia on its 1st turn the best thing I could do was send back, if maybe 5 or 6 players were using nikki’s idea -apollorexus and even so they nerfed it because nikki was a counter to nyx, but nikki sacrificing another monster to complete the play, they added 200% defense so even if you sacrifice 2 monsters to execute a death that can be uninhabited the play by megalodragon, kanna among others it works.
I only ask that there be risks of using nyx, not something so radical, but it should have some adjustment, because there is no risk, many players decided to use it even though they did not have enough and that within the top 10 it has happened that the most have the same beginning
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I am talking about what I use to give an example, but what I am talking about I say in general and with analysis and comments from several users of an F2p community, that even if they do not pay they also have the right to what they use that has benefits as well as risks, the FL Fast ones have benefits and risks, FL nyx currently only brings benefits and is very difficult to play against. There are monsters that in my opinion should not be affected by fermata (less than 60% such as sturgeonidas, elemenphox, mantisamurai, which are monsters that are used by the majority and do not have the quick kill effect themselves)
@Dev_VKC I think they should consider that fermata affects allies up to 50% and enemies up to 60%
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thats wrong tho
okay listen what rat promotes is 1 eg its doomgoo rat mojinator thats basicly it so what would be alot more likily to happend if rat is just left chilling as it is. is make the game become whoevers rat enters last wins because they would get the 300 sec pushback last giving them the best chance to catch themselves in against someone who is likily to only have 4 monsters left nerfing rat is gonna make egs diverse again
with nyx its gonna be alot more diverse as VKC said its complicated to build a nyx team due to her restrictions like coltraz is running athereon and lilithia and i like running plume and deus X and that diversity will widen depending on the size of the account with how restictive it acctuly is to build a workable team with her. nerfing nyx is gonna make prixis azida megalo etc fls dominate again and then we have the exact same issue with new monsters same monsters old monsters i guess
this is like killerdog has been saying in pretty much ever nyx discussion in forever. if you run into a really fast fl great advandtage nyx if you run into a slower fl another nyx fl or a well built fl you will no longer have an advantage and will likily loose the initive nyx normaly gives like uh the the water dude with hazuki and aoi dont remember his name did running the snowhulk and aoi with ss + 1 monster below 50 speed meaning at his first turn he could pretty much turn the table on a nyx by basicly just unyxing whatever monster felt most valuable in the moment
i have written to much my brain feels bleeeeh now i have said my point i think nyx is fine you disagree fine lets agree to disagree 
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I will just address this part for now. Again, Nyx restriction is only applied to the FL, some people are pointlessly running a slow first half of their team for reasons that go beyond my understanding and complaining that she is too restrictive. She’s not. Once you have used Fermata, whether it hits the enemy for the reduction or not, her purpose is fulfilled, forget about her and hope the enemy will kill her so your fast sweepers come in. Trying to milk anything else out of her after that is overcomplicating things unnecessarily. I don’t know how people can’t see that. You know how people have monsters just to do a single move? That’s Nyx, only her single move is extremely disruptive to the game when it hits, so it’s a hell of a move.
imma point out an exprience from this season related to this then
i was running a gentle owl 5th in special rule and because of this most peoples instant target in my fl was the lucifelle caus thats the obvious threat right?
but that let me instantly gt back to nyx who then could start charging cres timestrike almost immidietly after fermament wile all enemy monsters was at like 2-300 secs
this let me charge her to the point she pretty much one shot anything at 42 secs by the time the enemies started getting a turn again
nyx is the type of scaling monster that cant be ignored for to long there is so much more value to her beside the fermata
logging of now! thanks for coming to my purple talk
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Then you will kill ldiefaeth since he is used only in nyx team.
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Then maybe he should be used elsewhere too.
It may not have an advantage VS slow fl but you are not at a disadvantage either because it would be slow fl vs slow fl, I don’t see it as a risk ,It would be more of a tie.
After killing ldiefaith nyx users will find a good 49 speed monster and use it and again they will modify , it’s like Charybdia talks people talked about chary Soo much and devs kept doing changes around her, untill they listened to what everyone said months ago , speed nerf just after that no one ever talked about her , or she needs adjustments ,so if we talking about nyx I don’t know why he including other monsters
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Also ldiefaith is still a great mid game control unit with no weakness. It can always come back. It’s not like canishogun who basicly died after the nerfs.
If ldiefaith gets a speed boost, it would make it less of nyx vs nyx matchup and more of a counter unit if you use it. devs won’t nerf nyx
It’s also a good fl monster, there is a lot of give turn spam combo in FL and ldiefaith counter that with his SS , so why should I worry to use ldiefaith! Because they will make his tu doubled if he becomes 50 % !!! Because of nyx 
, so the whole debate started about nyx and instead of focusing on nyx they will screw an other monster
@Dev_VKC Ldiefaeth at 50% speed sounds like a good place to start. Most of the nyx frontlines were using it and it’s not like running ldiefaeth as a nyx counter is super reliable anyway.
Yeah, except for when I got 1st three seasons ago using it in the frontline without nyx.
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It is I beat some top nyx mythic teams while using it
Charybdia had obvious counters in fl, so in the first place they didn’t want to touch it, but made it less oppressive in nerf taunt and Tkb by limiting it to one use per battle. This change affected all monsters with this, and people were still complaining so devs reduced its speed and made it useless in fl. So yes they nerfed other monsters before hitting Charybdia itself and for ldief it’s not even a nerf but a buff