This limited list thing has to go!!!! POLL PLEASE VOTE!

Ok :blush: My feedback is this:

The list should be shorter, like it was previously

It should generally exclude stun and sleep protection on the whole,

It should change each season not every two.

@Dev_VKC

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and not repeat consecutively bone not the same one season after another only after 2 it could be repeated

If I prefer that they eliminate it but if they manage to do what Lemon says for me, that’s fine

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That’s where I’m at too :sweat_smile:

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I want this list to change more often.
Each time the meta shifts some new old mons from restriction list will be replaced by new ou mons.
And also the most used endgame mon was probabely boxjaw a few seasons ago. Doesn’t mean it should be restricted.(meatoid ban)
I don’t want nova/orca/scorp to be permanent there. No matter how op they are we should always have room to use them.

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finally something reasonable if every 3 seasons I can use orca scorpion and valza for me is fine

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Yes

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General idea of mine about this list was- In every meta there are multiple mons that prioritise over others. So this list will prevent players from using all of them at once. So the meta strategy will be less effective.
But ofc i don’t want to see same mons every season just because they are s+ tier

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Also an opinion is that every 4 we do not have limitations in one and then continue normal, we do not have to do something for life

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Cough. Zhulong. Cough. Who said that? :eyes:

That’s wonderful to know! This is for sure the biggest reason the list has to stay. So nice to know newer people now feel like PvP is a more welcoming place, well done on that.

Though I think that the restriction lists should only last one season instead of two. I understand that two months without using specific monsters in your main PvP team is a lot.
Also there are some very used monsters that do not have a big impact on any team they’re in. Valzareign and Meatoid are this exact kind of monster, and in my opinion they should not be restricted because, compared to other ultra common monsters like pre-nerf Dusicyon and Flocculasaurus, they aren’t as powerful.

tenor

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You have come out of a riddle arena to conclude that they are excellent. . . . Ok. . . They are outdated

Not sure what this message means tbh

In any case I voted “Like the idea but not the execution” in the poll, so I think what i said was pretty coherent with that: the idea is excellent (it’s what this game needs) but it could’ve been done better .

Well, here I will leave my opinion …

The idea itself, of putting a limited list, does not seem absolutely unsuccessful, I just don’t like that it is in PVP mode, why not open a second pvp or event where to apply this list ??? Other aspects that seem wrong to me and for which I do not like this list are the following:

1: It won’t let me use the monsters I bought so hard collecting gems, that’s right, I play for fun, not to get a good place in the rankings, and this LIST does not seem funny at all. My best strategies (the ones I have the most fun with) were
obsolete, and many, like KillerDog, will be saying (Just create another team) I WOULD LIKE THAT! My account is simply small and I have already created the best teams, there is nothing more to create, any other possible team will not be able to compete with the others in the PVP …

2: @TNCxXchaosxXf2p I’ve been reading about you complaining a lot because there are only 3 limited mythicals, it doesn’t bother me that much, just a little bit in my case … I think it should be 1 mythical for every 2 legendary … I don’t plan to broach this topic any more (KillerDog did you say that “THERE ARE MANY MORE LEGENDARIES THAN MYTHICAL, 3 TIMES MORE” or something similar, but, of those legendary, how many really serve ??? Just think about that …)

3: Already before each Ranking they put a rule (which DOES make the game fun at that moment, but I don’t think a rule should apply to a Ranking … that is, they are supposed to fight there to see who It is the most powerful … right?

And then nothing, that’s my opinion, if I would like them to remove that list, or at least to alter it a bit and not repeat it … See you!

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First of all good to all
I personally very much agree with the list
I personally am a Lemon user for example
And those who used Scorpiogeist had a lot of advantage against me
I see the limitations very well done
Since formerly you could make a meta team to the point of using Scorpio, Padri, Nova, Moku and Infern without any concern
Now the limitations prevent having that quality of equipment and give more opportunities to players who do not have those monsters
As I said before, I am a Lemon user and I already knew that when Scorpiogeist entered battle my Lemon would not work
The same goes for stealth strategies
Many used Scorpio with Flarevern and Valzareign, making it too easy for him to use the poisonous abilities of Scorpio or Flarevern.
I see just the limitation of Cyntia and Suikenshi since they were mythical that many p2w used and they will be forced to choose if Cyntia p Suikenshi or some other legendary limited
@Dev_VKC I am completely in favor of these limitations but as my fellow players say they should not last 2 seasons
Last pvp we had normal limitations, in this tour mostly to poison, I hope in the next ones the limitations to stun and sleep because despite being a dream user I prefer a diversity of teams
And this is not a comment for them to discuss or anything
I only give my opinion and my vote totally in favor
Buenas tardes

I’m not sure if anyone has said this yet (no chance I’m combing through all of these essays) but if the limits are sticking around, a reasonable counter-balance would be making it marginally more realistic to awaken mythics.

Since they’re getting restrictions slapped on them anyway, might as well give people a path to increasing the diversity of their team.

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That’s right, I have many friends who are going through that, and soon it will be me, this has to change

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That is a good idea, to give more chances of obtaining variety and of awakening but because a few do not want to adjust to the limitations I doubt that they will eliminate them

I think we can conclude this discussion soon, nothing new is being said anymore.

Just wanted to share my opinion on this, these two are in my opinion a bad example because they fail to do their job properly with all the new high defense monsters running around.

They have literally one purpose: be the last monster on the field and hopefully win you a match. Using them should be a high risk, high reward strategy but the situation with these two nowadays is that it’s not realistic anymore to consistently get a high enough payoff, because stuff such as Dragulus’s and Arachnadiva’s revenge exists. Also Moku’s Mojimojiha Z is just a much more effective closing strategy than the 50 TU hits that might kill the enemy. I could give more examples if needed…

I think you don’t want to change them because of some old events and their functionality in puzzle fights, which I can understand. But don’t say that they’re excellent in PvE events because they simply aren’t anymore! If you ask me, every monster should be subject for change if circumstances change a lot.

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Lemon you’re being a bit stubborn by the looks of it. The people voting “Like the idea but not the execution” are not necessarily saying they don’t like the list, just that they think they can do it better. When people are passionate they have opinions and become critical, thinking a tweaked version would be better… hence 47% have voted that way. If you compare the number of people who have simply chosen whether they like or dislike it it’s 29% like, 24% dislike. Tbh, the fact that 76% of people have NOT voted they dislike it shows the system is working pretty well, even if it’s not perfect. VKC has also come and shared some data that supports how it’s doing a good thing for the community.

As for the bit about 90% of the community which you’re disregarding. VKC has already shared before how 80% of players are hero rank 1-100 (and we can assume are probably completely unaffected by these PvP restrictions in their team building, so only get the benefit of more diversity they face and not S+ spam oppression). So the number is AT LEAST higher than 80%… 90% is probably not too far off.

Yes, such a great point. This system is not something radical at all. It’s been proven to work. Most of the people complaining also seem to be having just small quibbles over how it personally affects them or they believe there are other people out there in the community who are negatively affected.

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