SE pots increase thread (yes again but this time with more feeling!!!!!)

Ok people this is the 2nd thread i start about the same topic pardon my insistence but i think it’s worth the effort and i think that the first one was not convincing at all.
Let’s get to the point. I think the total amount of SE pots we get from events should be increased and by my explanation of the following data i hope everyone can understand the reason of my claim

I have all the SEs of the regular egg pool which are in total 81 I’ve gotten in the year and 7 months I’ve been playing 378 dupes of them (without counting the very few dupes I’ve gotten on already +9 SE of that pool) so my average regular egg pool SEs bonus is 4.66 which means I’m only half way though having all or at least the big majority of them at +9 so hatching eggs becomes a reliable source of SE pots. According to this data i will need at least 3 years playing without pause an getting a monthly amount of gems of 200. Which is my friends A LOT. So what this means? Well 1st of all it means that any players who has been playing less than that time will struggle getting SE pots and therefore strengthening his collection specially relatively new ones.

The second argument is the amount we get from events compared to the amount of legs pots (3rd rarer item of the game only after 6* and 7* tickets) as is shown here

Events SE pot Rewards/ Legs pots

PvP SE 4 - 9 (5 tops for top 50 rank) Lg 4
UC SE 3 (average top 50 or top 100) Lg 2
IC SE 1 Lg 2
MC SE 1 Lg 2
TA 0 pots
BT 0 pots
GoH SE 2 Lg 2
SotF SE 2 Lg 2
Okk SE 2 Lg 2
WT SE 2 Lg 2 (i can almost assure no one spends finns on SE pots in this even so the real count most be 0)
DC SE 2 Lg 2
ST SE 2 Lg 1

As you can see we get on most events the same amount of SE and Lg pots (something wrong to me because Lg pots are supposed to be much rarer) the exceptions are UC and ST where we get 1 SE more than Lg ones and MC and IC where we get 1 SE pot less than leg ones and as you can see if we sum up all those SE rewards of each event the total amount is the same SE and Lg pots. Why is that? Could you all ask yourself, well the answer is easy after the potting system change Lg pot monthly income was doubled from 5 to 10 because we need now to take all our monsters to +9 to get the same TU reduction we used to get at only +5 but somehow devs ignored SE pots in that change and the proportion before the change that was 2SE per 1 Lg pot per month pass to be 1 to 1 reason or more accurate 1.1 - 1.2 to 1 because we get every month 10 - 12 SE pots on average. Imo there is 2 things wrong with this 1st SE pots have now the same level of rarity as Lg pots which is crazy 2nd By increasing the total amount of lg pots we get every months devs acknowledge we most get more pots but they didn’t increased the rest…

To put things into perspective a little for everyone to understand how big this problem is

I have 184 SE in total of wich:

Total +9 SEs: 43
Regular egg pool SEs at +9: 12
SEs Ultraevolutions previously potted with Ep pots: 11 (guardians and SE UE of island monsters)

Therefore in 1 year and 7 months playing i have only been able to voluntarily pot 20 SEs out of the 184 i have… Only 10.87 % of them… Is it just me of these numbers are scary even more when i compared to the % of legs I’ve taken to +9 which is 12 out of the 76 i own which represents 15.78 %!!! People IT’S EASIER TO POT THE LEGS YOU WANT THAN THE SEs FOR GOD’S SAKE!!!

Well this is the data and explanation i hope make everyone see the need of this increase. I know this is not a problem at all for the old timers who got most of their SEs upon released potted to +6 and have had enough time to get all their regular egg pool SEs to +9 with dupes but what about the rest of the playerbase i can take my chances and say that other part of the playerbase easily represents the 90 %… So we are talking about a change that will benefit EVERYONE and will specially help ALMOST all the players…

So my suggestion is increase the SE pots rewards like this
PvP 8 (×2)
UC Same
IC 3 (+2)
MC 3
TA BT Keep the same because not all events have to give us pots
GoH 3
FotF 3
Okk 3
WT Same
DC 3
ST Same
This way all events will give more SE pots than Legs pots as it is supposed to be
This suggestion I’m making it’s nothing crazy or greedy imo because our monthly SE pot income will be only increased to 15 - 20 so i don’t it will be too much
And for those who think this is me being greedy wanting more SE pots to merge them into leg ones let me remind you that with the current SE pot monthly income we can get by this way 2 maybe 3 extra lg pots a year (without expending a single one on SEs) and by doubling the SE amount as i suggest we will only get 3 more legs pots a year Which is nothing crazy imo so please don’t look for bad intentions in this.

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What does with more feeling mean?

More reasons i guess idk it’s just a name :sweat_smile:

I think he got that from me lol. It simply means be a little more enthusiastic/determined this time around, or something to that effect.

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Nailed it!!!

I enjoy the breakdown of the numbers and the effort you went through into all the research, logging and writing this up.

We spoke about this topic on Line a short time ago and I disagreed with what you’re asking for. Ultimately, 5* and 6* pots have been given out at a relatively even rate from events over the years. The same is true now but after the move TU change with pots they increased the number of legendary potions by 2 in PvP (each month), made leaderboards give more legendary potions in the top positions and made a couple of events that only gave 1 instead give 2. The amount granted is definitely increased but not by a huge amount and if you take into account all the free bonus we get on SEs we earn in events then we still get a lot more SE bonus.

I don’t think it’s important we get all SEs to +9 any time soon. I’ve been playing a little over 4 years and have now finally got all 192 SEs I own to +9. Along the way I never felt like it was too much effort to get any individual SE to +9 and getting them all there was a long term goal. For newer people entering the game the task is far more arduous because most new SEs come with some bonus on them, which is a big reason why I managed to get all mine to max along the way. However, I don’t believe it should be too hard to pick and choose certain SEs to bonus and 1-2 years in you’ll have all the SEs you use at +9 and get the rest of them up slowly with time.

Having SEs at +9 is only important for competitive PvP. In competitive PvP there are only a few SEs you would consider using. Hence, it shouldn’t be an issue if we don’t have loads of pots.

I think what would make a serious argument is if, proportionately, someone had more of their legendaries at +9 than their super epics. However, I would hazard a guess that everyone has more of their super epics at high bonus. We don’t need all SEs at +9 just like we don’t need all legendaries at +9.

P.S. I’ll fully admit @MementoMori that hearing your number of SEs at +9 back when we spoke before and again now it does seem surprisingly low. I can only speak from my own experience and depending on what time we started playing and how much of the PvE content we’ve completed I’m sure the experience can be quite different. As I said when we spoke before: 2/3 of my total SE bonus has come from playing events (SE pots + SEs in events) and 1/3 has come from egg hatching.

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Man please how many times i have to tell you i don’t want to take all my SEs to +9 that’s not my goal but i do want to take about 35 of the ones i got because i would love to use them in PvP and at this pase fells like it’s going to take forever that’s my entire point and honestly idk if I’m going to still playing by the time i might accomplish that goal.

Thanks for admitting it. I do want to say that for over a year now I’ve been completing all events so i haven’t left any SE pots in the way

I just thought of something that might be the reason of the difference between you and me and it is that in the 4th anniversary a lot of SEs were added to the Special egg pool and therefore for people like me its a bigger amount of SEs to get to +9 from hatches. For you was much easier because the pool was narrower but now for new players it’s just an unrealistic goal. You should give it a thought

Thanks :sweat_smile: i like to argue with facts (numbers) rather than opinions

Totally agree why do we get equal amounts of both of them. Double the number of SE pots and epic potions even

Absolutely! Hatching only attributes for 1/3 of the total (from my numbers) but when that’s being split across a lot of monsters you have a load with random amount of bonus and not actually turning into pots. It means you’re heading towards the ultimate goal of all +9 but not making much progress towards having a smaller number of specific SEs at +9. It’s great that newer players have access to the better SEs in standard pools but it does mean that 1/3 of the total SE bonus is basically unusable (pre-determined) for a very long time.

I think ultimately it’s not a longer time than it was in the past because it easily gets balanced out by the huge number of free gems we get these days and 20% discount. However, the difference is that nowadays people have a much larger collection of SEs in a short space of time so there will be many they want to have at +9 but can’t get there yet.

I guess maybe this is a good way to describe the difference in experience?

Yeah but it doesn’t change the fact we should get a little more SE pots form events and please check my suggestions and tell me they are remotely crazy… Honestly what harm will it do and how much it will help all of us

Well I’ve got all I need so… nah I’m kidding :stuck_out_tongue:

My personal stance is still that I don’t think we need more. I think we get enough as it is but I can appreciate others would disagree. Usually with this stuff I want there to be ways for newer players to catch up with older ones but I see potions are more of a premium reward. I want newer players to get strong monsters faster but potions at the same rate so only top players accrue them faster from leaderboards (or spending lots and getting dupes) and having potted monsters is an advantage the most devoted players have over other people.

That’s just where I stand. I’m not saying you’re wrong at all and I can absolutely see where you’re coming from. It’s also nice to see your suggestion is reasonable :slight_smile:

I love democracy

Man and how am i not devoted… And i still struggling with this matter

Thanks now you see I’m not asking nothing crazy