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Ahhh, that makes a whole lot more sense. We are in-game friends so I noticed how in ~November you stopped logging in for 3 months until you logged in for Valentine’s Day and then not again at all. I didn’t know you were a fan of making multiple game accounts as well as multiple forum accounts :wink:

When I closed that thread of yours in October I tried to do it in the most respectful manner. I’m sorry if all it did was make you extremely angry.

We got off on the wrong footing when you had the multiple forum accounts and all you seemed to want to do here on the forum was have off-topic discussions not really even relating to the game. That, coupled with the fact it didn’t even look like you were playing the game made me have a certain perspective of you as someone loitering around, using this forum purely for their own entertainment. I hope you can see how it would do that. If you’re genuinely playing the game and wanting to discuss it then that’s great and I hope we can get along better going forward. We may end up on the other side of debates but I will not use any moderator powers to suppress what you’re saying. I promise you that

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I’ll hold you to that. Glad we could get back on the right footing, so to speak

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I am a bit late to the party but let me ask you something @3iNST3iN. Or any other “F2P strategy” user on this forum.

What is a F2P strategy? Define it?

Technically in a F2P strategy you use the monsters you have obtained for free from offline or the online monster hunting stuff. Monsters such as Sunlord, Chronozeros, Leoronix, Noxdragon etc. Those are definitely F2P monsters. Then there are the ones you get from events which vary quite a lot.

By the way I want to make it clear now that I have spent money on this game. Not obscene amounts but a few deals here and there. I don’t have any awakened mythics though.

The real question is, if a F2P hatches Angelion will it be part of a “F2P strategy”? If I buy a pack and hatch Angelion, is it a “P2W” strategy? Where do you draw the line?

What’s more, players like Killerdog have been able to awaken mythics without spending a dime. I’m sure there are others too that have simply got very lucky. So tell me, if KD awakens Dragulus and Na’turgoul, are they part of a F2P or P2W strategy?

Another question: for around the first year I played, I didn’t spend anything on the game. If I use the monsters I got before spending, am I using a “F2P strategy”? I could have got those monsters after I started spending and you could have called it “P2W strategy”.

I could go on but I hope you realize how dodgy and ambiguous the mere concept of a “F2P strategy” is.

Now let’s talk about “P2W”. It’s a fact that it’s incredibly hard to awaken mythics, especially featured ones, without spending any money. For even a slightly realistic shot at it you would have to grind for at least half a year and then hope you get lucky. So we can agree that to awaken mythics, especially many of them, you would need obscene amounts of time spent playing the game and incredible luck or a decent amount of money in your pockets to increase your rate of success.

Mythics have better stats than any other monsters in the game and often very useful movesets and passives. They need to be good for people to spend money on them. Sometimes, like some SE or legendaries, they are simply too good. Upon release Bastia was so strong that she simply needed to be nerfed, which understandably upset many players that had spent money on awakening her. Yet any spender accepts that risk and Devs will nerf the monster if it’s really necessary. By this example I wanted to illustrate that even these “P2W strategies” can be too strong or can be nerfed sometimes. And also any clever person should analyze and evaluate their in game investment and accept the risks of a nerf before making it and not expect to be on a pedestal, it’s not like they’ve bought shares of Zigzagame for god’s sake.

Lastly I wanted to emphasize something that I’ve already said a couple of times. Even though someone identifies themselves as “F2P” or “P2W” it doesn’t really change anything. They are simply two different approaches to play the game. If you don’t want to spend any money and instead spend a lot of time grinding gems to maximize your chances of success, it’s completely fine. If you instead want to save time or to acquire the absolute best monsters in the game faster by splashing a bit of cash, that’s completely fine too. I’ve even heard that some players would like to spend on the game but can’t because of political and geographical reasons.

I know that in both “camps” there are arrogant people who care only for their own interests and also sometimes their pride. I just wish we could live as a unified community, respect each other, understand each other’s point of views and not label or vilify certain approaches. We can agree and disagree with each other respectfully.

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@DonT89 what is your response to this thread aimed directly at you?

He’s a new breed called C2W. He didn’t pay for any of his games but earned a lot more from the devs than any true F2P person could ever get, as he wrote all the monster reviews. Therefore, he is “Contribute to Win” which isn’t a bad thing.

@DRACARYS he was also very close

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It seems to me that the confusion is that you do not understand who we are referring to when we talk about 2pw. We are not referring to any user who spends very little money to just try to obtain a legendary. We are referring to certain characters who spend a lot of money in the game, get many mythical awakened, and from there they reach the top 5. These characters that usually always belong to 2 clans that I will not mention … These players, observe a f2p strategy and request their nerf, since these legendary monster strategies are stronger than their mythical awakened strategies

They do this in order that these f2p players are not “top 5 in the pvp ranking” and if they are. I will give you a simple example … A strategy of haniwell + galliodragon speed 94% is stronger than strategies used with mythical awakened. F2p players with galliodragon beat these and there they begin to ask for nerf. I clarify I mention galliodragon as an example, but it can be any strategy, I do not speak of him specifically

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An F2p strategy is one accessible to anyone who does not need to invest a large amount of money, they want to use it. So imagine you, if your FL has 4 mythical ones awake, that is a p2w strategy, since you would have to spend money to form it. Instead a legendary strategy for example “Jazguardian + Delugazar” Ex: The former poisonous of “Frezercobra 87% speed + polaboss + scorpions etc” is a strategy that any user at f2p without putting money could use (Logically it requires having said monsters with The gems you have won, will depend on how lucky you are or not, but you do not need to invest a lot of money, to one day form it in your FL

That is what you are saying YOU, here no one referred to a specific user. Be more respectful, we are discussing with the rest of the users and you come here to generate disturbances

Is OoO considered a F2P strategy?

This is a serious question and there is no irony behind this.

I think I have already explained and it is quite clear … what a F2p and P2w strategy is. Let me tell you one thing, in my opinion, if you invest a few dollars, buy 80 gems, and from there you get a legendary and a mythical second form, that does not make you the p2w players that most of us are talking about here. I think you @Exu from my opinion is an F2p player who has invested a bit of money to try to get a legendary / mythical. On the other hand, here we talk about people who invest a lot, a lot of money, that their team is made up of several mythical awakened. And we are not really referring to someone specific, we are referring to a group of approximately 10 people, who in order to always be top 1 to top 5, find themselves upset that F2p players with legendary and mythical second form or just 1 mythical awake They beat them, they invest a lot. It bothers them that these f2p users are top 5. and ask for nerf. Gentleman, you must understand that there are 2pw players who are top 70, 80 etc and they are not asking for nerf, since they do not fight for the first 5 positions.

Thanks for the shade :wink:

it is not a strategy that affects 2pw.
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Besides, you do not understand that a F2p with strategy OoO practically impossible that it is top 5 … And the fundamental thing here is that we are talking about the top 5 of the pvp ranking

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you should understand that we are not talking about ALL F2P strategies here. WE TALK ABOUT F2P STRATEGIES THAT ALLOW YOU TO REACH THE TOP 5/10 OF THE WORLD RANKING

The best examples of F2P strats getting nerfed are haniwel and GF. Both were powerful strategies that could compete with mythics, both were very powerful, and both got indirectly or directly nerfed. I’ll admit that I found out about those from word of mouth, but for a more minor example, haniwel+whatever that monster that can life share with the enemy team is. It was really powerful, it could counter mythics, and then boom, new monsters that counter it, Dusciyon nerf makes it harder to survive while using it, and the new poison teams start shutting it down. Those obviously happened a while apart in time, but the pattern is clear. A powerful strategy that can easily be gotten from an event, the wild, and the store, it counters mythics, and instead of letting the meta naturally grow to either counter it or use it, a series of changes make it nearly unusable. So it goes with so many similar strategies.

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@NMEGaryOak @Exu

I will give you another more concrete example.
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Imagine a while ago, an F2p player could be top 5 with this strategy: FL: polaboss + frezercobra (87% speed) + scorpoingeis + 5th (fifth) place banedragon .
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This strategy would annihilate a P2w such as an FL with mythical awakened: Cinthia awakens + Suikenshi + Ashtereon …
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do you understand?

That’s not the point. It annihilated too many things, including other F2P strats, which is why it was nerfed.

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no f2p user would be bothered by this strategy, since it is within their possibilities to acquire it. You want to defend the indefensible, I just see that you find ways to want to avoid what 90% of the community knows, what happens if you want to become top 1 … be top 5 in the world …

I know a concrete example of a f2p user who became top 2 in the pvp ranking, and the following month they “nerf” your strategy. I will not mention it simply, there you realize what really happens, and why many players are angry with this situation … Because they constantly ask nerf “to f2p tactics” … and they ruin their strategies