u would rather have a 60% percent sleep 70 Tu than a 75% percent 100 tu sleep move. At least Loch has a chance to sleep lock
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I still don’t see how sleep is better… Sleep is gambling… but potent sleep , everyone knows it will put anyone to sleep…
idk why everyone is bothered about this…Everyone simply knows the truth
The only monster who had it was Goldail and his existence relys on dat move
also if u faced poison, he becomes dead weight
face insomnia, he wont do much and lastly he is slow.
he is bad at setting sleep byhimself i had to set him with other sleepers like wraith and sobe just for a chance the sleep lock will work.
Also his move is rng bases. even if it was 75%, it is still rng and can miss
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I see
The three problems are:
- Worse [sleep chance / TU] than standard sleep
- Lemon still has 50TU potent sleep
- Compared to Pandamonium’s sleep move it’s much worse
It would make a whole lot more sense having potent sleep at 80TU with Lemon’s SOLO potent sleep at 70TU. Then it balances with the other sleep moves much better.
50TU → 80TU is still a considerable nerf.
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dude i paired him with a water sleep lock midgame and there is when he shined.
worst part is when u face centaruoen and poison entrance. all setup is ruined
yep this I agree… Goldtail getting the short end is unfair
80 Tu to 4 monsters = 320 Sec. the sleep duration. I see what u did there lol
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is this at +0 ? or 80 tu at +9?
Yeah +0. +9 is 68TU.
I know sleep is powerful but if we have the baseline of 70TU giving 60% chance. I think it makes sense to have the more powerful 75% chance at the slightly higher TU of 80. Then it’s definitely more powerful but not a direct, huge upgrade.
But the sleeping monster would have died by the time 3rd one is put to sleep unless they r charging something…
ill take this and run any day. Pls add this to the list if u can . Its very reasonable.
die from what?
dreamhunt? U r going to sleep lock to kill the monsters one by one right? then its fine that there is a small window that 2 monsters can wake-up after 300 seconds… I believe they gave 80 tu to potent sleep after calculating all these stuff…
But +9 goldtail is a different scenario
potent sleep will put monsters to sleep for 320 sec. no sane man will use dreamhunt with goldtail or any other monster without a plan.
also u use sleep to set urself up like how u do with stun. difference is that u can skip but it is alot risky with sleep since they will wake up from it. most cases u will be charging something like survivor or a cresendo monster.
I think a +9 Goldatil can do 5 tries on 320 sec so if he failed once, he can follow up.
the problem with sleep lock is the counters it has
like poiosn has y draig as a counter
Sleep has centaroun and poison entrance. those 2 alone shut down sleep teams
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no clue what to say now tbh
I accept ur arguments from a user perspective but u must also understand that they nerfed goldtail from target perspective.
Once set up , there is simply no escape from the combo… Have a purifying mist along side gold, even cent cant do a thing…
Poison countering is a different thing… Novadrake cant do a sheit to a full stun immune line-up but that doesn’t make it any less BS.
well it is a high risk high reward strategy. u either fail miserably or win.
Also what u said is a whole team against nova. what i said is an entrance or a monster against an archetype
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ye but deep inside, u know the truth too… U probably laughed at a gazillion players who got sleep locked haha
the laugh part is true. i cant deny that but tbh, out of every 5 matches i used sleep. (Goldatail). I won 2-3 matches from it. people will always run a counter to sleep lock and even if they didnt, it is hard to main the sleep cause of how stupid rng is.
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