Okay ‘not’ to counter?
Robin
Drako
camo
I dont know what your talking about.
U say its almost impossible to kill her off, above u see some Monsters that can so that.
No they cant robin cant bypass two auto protectors like stag and aegis.
Drako can be easly removed with a skip and stag sleep all. If there was no monster close by to skip just use maggot since it has 90 speed will not be stopped + there will be aegis for give turn if you need to go ahead.
Even camouflage is not a counter to it since very few monsters have it.
Your varient has weaknesses but if you built better you can cover up those weakness. Dont come up and say daunt+ maggot is not op.
And you know well that literally no one is playing robin so your using drako if all of a sudden players decided to use robin you just switch him out and bring stag and sabertooth at 5th.
U always chose the setup that fits in ur eyes 
tell me what can vampviper do with 2 ap and not magga ? Right nothing. It can stall a little Bit, but to make her work imo magga is key…
On Top of that, Auto protectors wont stand a Chance against a full protector Killer fl which we see quite often imo, as long as i dont use duscy + 18299 ap… U have to Consider the whole fl. Vampviper alone is nothing, it does need protection
Dude u Talk so much Trash, i directly said that my FL is broken aka op… Sp there re COUNTERS… U just dont want to accept it, u prefer playing ur same Team over and over again. Now there is a Monster that ur Team cant do much against and u cry… As the self called ‘goat’ u should Stop crying and Start making a different Team which isnt totally rng based. Ur Team was very strong, in the past. Get over it
Btw. Great People with great attitude Never called themself a goat. Fans Call them goat…
In ur case it just smells like a big compensation for whatever
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Literally geo does nearly the same thing with the snake not to mention it pushes team building to 60 speed.
I said there is no counter play to it with the right setup and you keep on refusing thats all please stop referring to me about this as i have already said me piece.
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I’ll jump in, can’t control,
Your evaluation of nagandia is not that off but it’s not s+ either,
Reading your evaluation I can sense that how will you run nagandia if you had her,
There are 3-4 ways & my guess would be with angel & gazer in middle to get 100% control of battle, ofcourse there will be different ways also ,. I just mentioned one of them,
Above is what I mention is for, you need to realise that angel + gazer maker her vaible, and your alone valuation won’t suffice for a nerf, devs released both nagandia & gazer in a egg for a reason I think,
If it goes out of hand you can rest assured it will be nerfed,
Some PPL have been bashing/asking angel nerf, magma nerf for past 5-7 months, they just nerfed angel sleep immunity & that’s it, it won’t be nerfed anymore, and for magma, it will stay as it is.
Nagandia is best at A+ , just for the reason she has daunt.
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@Xyzencross @Moking Please do not provoke or be rude to Mr.X. I’ve seen you do it in other threads too. If you want to do that go to the basement. I’ve removed various posts of yours in threads to keep them civil.
Thanks to everyone for the Nagandia discussion, it’s interesting to read. I’ll try my best to give a fair assessment of her when I do the update in the next week.
Basement is useless as he himself doesnt wanna go there. This is basing on what I posted on basement to continue something else and guess what, he didnt respond. Anyway up to you KD. Nagandia is not OP and is not perfect compared to ZibGazer in the past.
Since so many people have already put in their two cents regarding Naganida, I’ll refrain from doing so. Instead, I’ll be talking about the latest moths that we got; Dreamoth from PvP and Stormoth from the current IC.
So let’s start off with the first moth I mentioned, Dreamoth. Initially, people were concerned about it’s viability due to its 200TU Sleep All, which is a problem, but not as big as people say it is. After all, you can have your other sleep mons help it out in that department, which is the recommended course of action to take when choosing to utilize this monster. It’s main draw is one of two things; instantly pulling off a Double Dreamhunt thanks to its passive, or going for an instant Purify which is something that could change the course of battle if times correctly. The fact that it has the move in general, while being immune to sleep, poison and stun is quite remarkable in itself. Overall, I’d say that it’s in the stronger half of the six moths, albeit in 3rd position. Final rating: A+
And now we have our second moth for today, Stormoth. Between it’s fully offensive stats and it’s stun-oriented moveset, this thing works very well as a sweeper. An instant Shocking Entrance/Timestrike All is bound to wipe out at least two monsters on your opponents field, though you can also go for a single target Timestrike if you want some more control-oriented sweeping. It also has Stun Pulse in the event that you want to stun a foe for even longer on top of your Shocking Entrance. As controversial as this next statement is, the sheer amount of stun protection in PvP nowadays puts this moth on the lower end of the scale, even though it’s still pretty good. Final Rating: A
And that’s it for now, the next time I’ll do one of these is when the rest of the moths get released, though from what I’ve heard so far, they’re looking to be very impressive.
Not A imo. I’d say A-
I guess if you onigeist, tranqulising entrance, or goldail, you will like this monster but overall, the 200 TU sleep is super excessive on a legendary that is released in 2019, that is all I’m saying about him.
The light (holy) is still the best moth since it can utilise entrance skills while also giving you an AP+. Also note that, unlike other fog entrance/stealthy entrance monsters, she is not affected by Auto poison so there is another great thing about her. Can’t wait for that.
Yeah, 200 sec sleep all is really terrible. If only she would have something like roaring dreamy entrance combined with double dreamhunt then she wouldn’t be in need of the sleep all and very good at the same tim…oh wait
I gave it an A simply because it doesn’t look like the list uses ‘-’ grades anymore, and the moth’s a bit too good for B+. Hope that explains my reasoning.
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Yeah a one trick pony that requires a setup is totally a 2019 monster. Go back to playing your limited super boosted legendaries because god forbid a free to play legendary is competing with those unaccessible monsters to the majority of the people.
You played in 2017? 2018? Have all these gauranteed legendaries. 2019? No u.
Boy, I am playing this game since 2015, but please go ahead telling me what monsters in this game are doing
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Be more respectful if nothing else.
It has some very good pros & there should be cons as well,
If transformation happens you have instant 2 kills, what more you could ask for?!
In other words you are saying, when transformation happens you will use sleep all instead of double dreamhunt ?? That’s why you are unhappy with sleep all 200 tu ?
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I don’t you understood what I said or else you would say that to prove my point more… oh well.
Kinda hard to understand you generally
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I’d move Maggatsuoh up to an A+ or even S. Yes the recoil damage with double poison chomp is very harsh, but he has stun immunity and is thus often able to actually land hits where other poison monsters cannot (that’s the big point).
On another note, absorb poison (can be a very convenient ‘purify’ cause only a few poison monsters have detox blast) gives him 2 whole new rounds of double poison chomp while he’s at it. Not to mention the secret skill only adds 1 cost.
He has toxic conversion, and with the Maggatoid’s blight bomb (along with his absorb poison), he could easily take down a line of 4 of hyper-buffed monsters.
Wow. I had no idea Absorb Poison made him so versatile. Yay!!!