Dusicyon is definitely s+, even when the opponent tries to dela with him, he still wastes a ton of the enemy’s time with leech. I’ve had people literally bash him for 8 moves before they managed to get him killed(needless to say, I won that game.)
Magma is used to pair with confidence strikers. NO need for its random attacks.
He ignore hg monsters and as i said. The fact he can one shot any monster in under 30 sec is ridiculous. He S rank. Play against star lord or lochi setup with him and you will see first hand
He one shot at 30 tu and ignore HG only on monster with 15% hp or less… overwatch will still be triggered
I just remembered Magma’s secret skill… 50TU double slayerbane (which you can choose the targets). Okay so this is what makes it really good actually, because it’s got stun immunity, hold ground and high speed. That move is incredibly hard to avoid which gives it immediate value then it continues to sweep at high speed. The lack of control is a big issue and why it won’t be as good as others but it’s probably S rating (what Buckingham originally said).
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What’s Mega?
what surprises me is that motor and tinker are still S+ oh well
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So with the latest PvP season coming to a close, would it be a suitable time to update the list?
The list has not been updated
From my memory buck no longer does them no idea who took over
I’ve agreed to take over, I’ll get on it sometime soon 
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Sweet good luck
Nice ill be waiting @Killerdog
Killerdog will indeed be taking over the list, he has full reign as well so expect some changes to come 
I’ll sort out transferring the thread itself when I can, most likely killer will make a new one and paste over the list from here, then we can pin it and get rid of this one. Will lose the previous discussions but provided it’s up to date that should be fine.
Full reign hehe yeah it’s getting a few changes. It’ll get redone 100%, all SE and legendary lists with reasoning put too.
I’ll let you know about what we need to do for the transfer when I’m available to actually redo it
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Azra is A, hmm I think it should be A+,
and oak is S, damn I’m surprised & happy coz oak got some love and he is back 
It’s A+ for PvE but brought down to A for PvP.
Its link cannibalise is the problem. It means that you most likely have/want to use it in the front line. However, using cannibalise before you can start sweeping means that it’s slower than the vast majority of front lines out there and can easily be interrupted or countered. You might be able to build around this or go with the Azhubris combo for the link sneak attack all at 67% speed but this is not the safest strategy anyway and requires quite specific monsters. As a reasonable fan of knockback/repulse I have seen many times how horrendously weak Azra is to it!
I think A is a fair tier for it where it can clearly be very strong and offers a lot of value for the team but is limited specifically in PvP for the reason I say above.
I feel like icefang is definitely worth more than a B in pvp, that thing can single handedly destroy a heavily protected team, only weakness would be leo/angel, S/S+ still imo
I know that with careful positioning in your PvP team he can be effective but besides a good trade he often fails to offer much. He is way too situational, cannot handle stealth and has no defensive passives. Quite a few monsters have specific scenarios where they can tear through the enemy lineup so I don’t believe he stands out by being good against heavily protected teams. With “raw” being increasingly common it encourages fewer protectors in teams which lowers Icefang’s use too.