Its all about bronzeshell changes.
The ■■■■■■■ broken heart makes motor less usefull than before compared than new monster out there.
Capy got taunt and swallow, the dual slayerbane is the reason why he got better tier than motor now. He got better chance to survive.
In my opinion is one of the best 2nd form mythics I’ve use it a lot and is quite useful stealthbreake is no joke
Why hasn’t Azida gotten a rating yet. its shield when killing an enemy passive alone makes it great. then on top of pairing it with any dragon it becomes 50% stronger. like yea that’s atleast S tier for both pve and pvp imo.
Also to add why exactly is Oakthulu a S+ tier monster. I feel without a poison team around it that it lacks the punch an S+ monster should have. I own it n without other posion monsters its lackluster
Same goes to Shadowhunter being S tier for pve. its not a viable option with OoO as it will fall asleep. it relies on a 60% chance sleep to get its dream kills. n then on top of that u need 2 kills to use Bloodthirst which with its low hp and defense wont be consistently happening
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Azida and the other monsters that have been released recently will get added all at once in a tier list update some time soon.
I actually agree that oakthulhu could be moved down to S tier because it a bitmore set up to achieve it’s desired affect in comparison to other S+ monsters. Sort of like novadrake which is borderline S+ tier anyways if you want to abuse stun wave.
I think shadowhunter is be fine at S tier for pve. It has good survivability with hold ground and it can sleep monsters with low tu and sweep afterwards if you want to. If you already have sweepers charged, you can focus on sleeping monsters while the others kill the monsters that are awake or use it as support to help set up a sleep lock if you are doing a different type of strategy.
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So basically Shadowhunter paired with Soulstealer would be ideal for the sleep setup correct. N I love Novadrake as it can legit destroy an enemies team with little support
It works well with any good pve really but yes soulstealer is a great monster to pair it with. I use stormloche (water version of shadowhunter but the SS is good for pve) with soulstealer and chronotitan.
The new monsters will be added after this current PvP season. I want to check how shiny Blizzheart is before adding it.
I am getting a lot of pressure to move Oakthulhu down so I probably will. Since I originally moved it up it’s received a lot of heavy counters as well as a nerf (double repulse TU 70 -> 100). A more common way to get auto-poison in a team right now is Flarevern positioned after Dusicyon. With that shield it makes Flarevern more reliably get a turn and people like the stun immunity + 100TU double poison eater on the first turn.
Shadowhunter is for sleep control in PvE. It’s not flashy, but it’s very easy for it to make the battle a 4v2 and in PvE that’s the kind of thing which can dominate.
Ok great. yea I now have Azida awakened and SS unlocked. It is amazing when paired with a dragon. plus it heals itself on top of getting easy shields. gotta be S tier. not as good as satomi but it is very durable and hits like a truck
I was being down on Azida when she came out but she’s grown on me a little. You’ll probably be disappointed by her position though. Thing is, there’s a lot of monsters out there which can sweep much better so the only thing holding her up is the shielding. Also, so many of the mythics are strong that a monster like Arachnodrake which is great at sweeping is on the lower-middle range in the tier list.
Btw I checked back on Oakthulhu. It was originally bottom tier when it was released, then got made B tier after it got buffed to what it is now. Then I took over the tier list and made is S (August 2018). In December 2018 I repositioned all poison monsters and Oakthulhu became S+. Since then, almost no poison monsters have needed to move position (Maggat A -> S, Flarevern went up when SS added) so I’m quite proud of that. However, Oakthulhu has received heavy counters including: Dracorosa, Centaureon, Glaciaron and a number of other things that aren’t good for it, plus the increased TU to double repulse. With Dusicyon becoming ever more common you’d expect auto-poison to be in more demand but I think it’s fair to say Oakthulhu isn’t as reliable as it used to be. I’ll be moving it down to S tier I think.
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Nova to S+ 
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I think for the pve tier list dusy and oakthlulhu could be moved down a tier or two. They are both pretty good for pve but I don’t see them being anywhere as good as any of the other S+ monsters with or without other monsters building around them. An example would be shivadragon. On its own, it can eventually sweep monsters at a low tu and hp sharing can keep teams alive far longer than shield field could. When it’s used as a key part of a strategy, it can keep monsters like geartyrant alive to finish off the enemy team or kill off 50 monsters once the other three are in a stun lock (game of hordes mvp!).
I also feel like cosmodragon and nebelronix could be moved up to A+/S tier for pve because they are usually the go to death revenge monster provided you have enough cost left. If you have some revival monsters you can often make a comeback with the cloning and divine shield revenge passive.
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Oak sucks for PvE since the syphon nerf. Cosmodragon and Nebelronix should 100% be S/S+ tier for PvE.
There was a siphon nerf?? Auto-poison + double survivor is great sweeping.
The “general” tier list takes into account all types of PvE and while Nebel/Cosmo are great in some places they are very mediocre in others or just as general use.
Poison Siphon is now a 5 use move, which isn’t a big deal in PvP, but it’s a major nerf for PvE. I used to run him in GoH, now I wouldn’t know where he’d be useful.
Nebel and Cosmo ARE great in every PvE (besides GoH) thanks to the shield passive, and they are the best DR monsters to use against super buffed enemies.
Zazzaro was talking about the five limits to poison siphon. I think since it’s not that great in a lot of the events and bad when the monsters are buffed, S tier would be fine. With dusy, I could see it being A+ tier or S tier, but definitely not S+ tier.
Out of all these monsters, oakthulhu and dusicyon strike me as the monsters that have the least amount of value when they are not part of a specific strategy and even when they are part of a specific strategy.
As for cosmodragon and nebelronix, I don’t think they deserve S tier because they aren’t that great for a lot of pve, but they should probably be raised from B+ and B tier up to A tier.
I would go as far as A+ tier honestly. there solid additions to amount any pve team. they do there job.
IMO sleep in general is lackluster. so I wouldn’t be sad if both Soulstealer and Goldtail got put to S. Goldtail is really solid still so that wont happen.
Is there anyone else that thinks Banedragon would be 5 times better if it had Stun Immune as a passive to work with its SS of Stun Killer?
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They should buff banedragon because I own it and it would make the monster better without making it op.
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That’s what I feel about it too especially considering how slow it is already. Just a small buff. Or maybe modify Instant Stun Killer so that it negates Stun Revenge as well so he is still weak to Stun just not when doing the killing.