Hi guys. most of you who know me know i am a PvE player which is why you may be surprised at my suggestion.
at the moment there is a well known divide between PvP matchmaking below HR 100 and above it. as well as another for HR 150.
i think its probably time for another bracket for people who are over HR 200.
the recent anniversary has seen more people awaken Mythics than ever before and the thought that newer players who just hit hero rank 100 end up facing teams of 5-6 mythics just doesn’t sit right with me.
i myself am over HR 200 and now have a decent number of Awakened Mythics and still find myself facing the occasional team that is clearly a low ranked player.
I’m not suggesting that people over 200 should ONLY play players who are also HR 200+ however I don’t think it should be possible to match with anyone below HR100 and it should be rare to meet players between HR100 and HR 150.
150+ should be the main pool for people above 200.
As someone who has an alt , (103 hero rank ) i faced that issue , after crossing 100 hero rank i was expecting opponents to be tougher, and i thought i was ready , and i was waiting to face people around my hero rank maybe even a bit more , but i ended up in 80 % of time facing top players with awakned mythic , who are above 200 hero rank , (i know them well since i face them with my main . Far away from being on win streak or even having a high winrate , almost the time with that alt i keep facing them , sometimes i win sometimes i loose , but i really think the matchmaking system need some changes about that, to be more fair for people around 100 hero ,
also something i noticed from the day i evolved : penguinator, inferni , angelion, and scorpio , and added at the same day to the pvp team , i faced that issue , so i think the quality of the monsters on your team may decide on that , or maybe not !
I think that unfortunately a big flaw with this is that quite a few PvP players do not play enough PvE to reach HR 200+. At least, not for many years.
I’ve known of a few who regularly got top 10s or even 1st who were HR 120-200. These people should definitely be in the top bracket. Giving them preferential treatment so they face newer people more is unfair.
At some point you’ve got to draw a line with the cutoff. I think it makes most sense to draw that line when people have proper team cost (i.e. HR 100 or 120). Matchmaking is basically done based on performance after that point anyway so, besides some unfortunate cases, you should be facing people you can have good matches with.
I was gonna comment the same thing after I read the post. HR 200+ players would face incredibly long queue times and face eachother all the time which gets very boring very fast.
Btw I’m HR 280 and according to the counter in the achievement tab, I’ve done just under 500 PvP matches. I know some individuals have done more in one season.
So if you guys meet me, I might actually be at a disadvantage based on PvP experience
why is why i specifically said the main pool for 200 should start at 150.
the main thing here is to completely negate the possibility of HR 200+ players facing players below HR 100. and make it much rarer to face players who are between 100 and 150.
yes this would be MUCH BETTER if the devs made a PvP Hero Ranking System BASED ON PVP but every time someone (usually me) brings that up it gets ignored so I’m trying to work with what i got.
One idea that occurs to me is that there could be multiple leagues during ranked (kind of like premier league) where players who don’t rank as highly one season wouldn’t be in the top class the following season but then could move back up. I get this could be abused too, but maybe good enough rewards for the higher tiers would keep players from abusing the system and it would allow lesser players a chance to be in a top placing in their specific bracket?
I’m speculating here, but something which has been noticeable from polls and surveys on the forum of this nature is people will generally think about themselves in their answers. The vast majority of players are below HR 200, so I wonder if the reason why “add a new bracket” is voted highest is because they’re wanting to avoid matching strong players and they are the majority… rather than it necessarily being the unbiased best solution.
Ultimately, a balance must be drawn between getting well matched opponents and waiting too long to find matches. I wouldn’t mind something that’s a bit stricter on not matching newer players with veterans, but I also think that matching based on performance resolves 90% of matchmaking issues and everyone has to accept a small number of bad matches.
Maybe make a separate top 50 league for those who wish to compete in it and make it have some strict requirements that encourage players to do it. Make it so anyone can join it so it doesn’t feel exclusive, but have it be that you choose what league to compete in during ranked, either regular PvP Ranked or Top 50 Ranked PvP. Once you choose, that’s the league you are locked into during ranked. You also must complete a certain number of matches per day (win or lose,) otherwise you go to the bottom of the top 50 bracket. This would encourage the use of tickets and moreoverly ensure the players vying for top 50 would get matches and keep it competitive until the end as if you don’t play for the day to try to keep your spot (or it could be a certain number of hours but that may be harsh) then you get bumped down to bottom of top 50 until you resume your matches. The wind and losses would be recorded, but the actual stats of where you are in the top 50 bracket would not be revealed until Ranked PvP is over.
This would make it so during Unranked everyone can still match against everyone else and get the rewards for battling but also let the players that have the best monsters and strats have a place to show it and shine without getting matched against lower tier players. I can’t imagine top players enjoy getting matched against low level, and this will also keep the ones playing one monster teams for the daily gem to stay away from the players vying for top 50 and good matches.
It could also be a separate thing during Unranked for those that want to test the teams they will be using in top 50 against other teams of the same calibur and ultimately lead to a more competitive and enjoyable PvP experience.
This may or may not work in it’s entirety and some things would need to be ironed out, but I think this could work fine.
I believe that the algorithms used to determine the opponent should not be determined by hero rank alone, but also other data, for example the team strength itself and on the win rate. Rate how often a monster is used in PvP, rate rare monsters higher and common monsters lower. Try to include popular patterns, like combinations of monsters that are widely used together. Don’t match a team where the strongest monster is 1 legendary against a team full of mythics and legendaries, I experienced that in my 2nd account. Its also very difficult for PvE players with high hero rank, because you’re matched against unequal players. I understand that there are too few players to always match equally, but this could be solved with an option that let you decide to accept waiting times or match against unequal players instantly. I believe that there are quite a few algorithms implemented already, but there is heavy optimization requirement.
We all know that the only solution to this is to match players based on the number of awakened mythics and or legandaries in their teams. Maybe you can couple this with ranks below 100 and you wont have noobs suffering?
