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Iâm on the fence for whether angelion is S+ or S tier. Iâve had tons of success with it even in recent seasons, but that could be because I was using it right after soral where it would have the most synergy. I personally prefer angelion over sturgeonidas for the synergy it has with my early game and how there are some situations where sturg becomes deadweight, which is pretty much impossible to happen to angelion unless your teambuilding is messed up. On the other hand, I usually find it a lot easier to deal with enemy angelion due to how frail it is unless I can passively make sturgeonidas deadweight.
Edit: A bit off topic, but I just realized the main reason I think elemphox shouldnât be S+ tier. Whenever I face it, itâs almost never my first priority when Iâm thinking about what order to kill stuff in. Unless elemphox is right about to kill something I really need or put me in an absorber lock, I always feel like I can ignore it for a bit and focus on other threats. A monster in S+ tier should be able to punish me for doing that. It also doesnât help that sometimes a move it needs is blocked from use.
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thatâs exactly it, there is no situation in which Angelion would become dead weight unless, as you say, it was built in a crappy configuration. While Struge can easily be left alone in a dead weight position, it is enough to weaken him so that he does not have his fighting spirit and if he cannot abuse his thunderous rebirth he has nothing very extraordinary can be easily ignored for a very long time. And I see that people here say that he has to go down only because he is easy to kill, you might as well bring down orca who is easily killed by gaia who is already everywhere and who in general is not very resistant, or even Nova which after an attack can be pierced by an SE. Angelion is still the third best legendary in the game (for me), with these two powerful passives
I wouldnât go that far. Just because something never becomes deadweight doesnât mean it wonât die easily or have limited impact in some situations. I just feel like itâs one of the strongest support/sweeper hybrids in the type of teams I run. That may be chalked up to a simple difference in playstyle so thatâs why Iâm leaning toward S+ but not fully decided. Your comparison with orca and novadrake doesnât hold up since they enter the field at high speed and often make a big impact with their first turn. Angelion can do the same but not as reliably.
This may be true for Orca (itâs better) but for Nova itâs not as simple, it needs a particular configuration or a few things to be able to load its main movement with the difference that he is very fast in these seconds of attack, they are not so different .
Are you seriously trying to say that novadrake and angelion are comparable in the way theyâre used?
Great discussion!
I agree that Angelion is still one of the best legendaries in the game. What it brings to a team in terms of stun and sleep protection is very useful, plus itâs almost always threatening damage and it has a bit of versatility with the SS. The reason itâs often killed first is because itâs very strong. Also, itâs clearly one of the most used monsters in PvP and has been since its release.
I think itâs falling out of favour a bit with top players because there are now some conquerable (or better) options available for stun protection that are either generically better or better in specific teams and some of the top teams value how well the monster survives a little higher.
I still remember years ago that owning Angelion and Bloomeluga is what meant I never struggled too much to build teams with solid stun protection. My experience compared to other players who didnât own these monsters seemed to be very different and itâs because I had a good mixture of options for my teams. Angelion still serves that purpose for players who donât have the mythics as options, which is why I think it sees so much play and deserves being respected as one of the top legendaries.
Lemon makes a very good point about wanting stun protection to be tanky so it survives when you need it. I think thatâs ultimately why the mythics and Sturgeonidas are better, but any monster still requires attention to actually kill it so being squishy doesnât mean itâs completely unfit for purpose. Angelionâs aggression also means that when it does survive it performs very well.
For reference, the strong mythic options we now have are:
Bastia, Momo, Sakuralisk, Hadeshoof, Onyxia, Plumesilisk. Not to mention also various ones that can kill teammates that get stunned, dodge it with stealth or things like Gabrielle that come in and save a stunned monster.
Those, along with extra legendary and SE options that have come out in recent years, means Angelion is one of many viable options now but itâs still up there among those best ones (particularly at legendary level).
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Step 1. Get rid of enemyâs stun protection.
Step 2. Stun wave.
Or
Step 1. Enrage.
Step 2. AoE.
In certain situations, Angelion canât do much on its first turn. If itâs unable to use its SS to get something useful back in game (or manage to get a turn and use Bloodfury), or when a single ally dies before it enters and its Retribution doesnât trigger.
I donât think it was a fair comparisonâŠ
it does not apply at high level very difficult to stun, and angelion can start with his SS and to start Nova must have loaded two kills to start 102tu and Angel 110 so not very different for me, I used it side side by side for a long time so I stay on my point
Based*
Huh? Do you mean biased? @GaleKnees
Because youâre probably right 
Nah,just raw unfiltered based
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I donât know what you mean 
based is the opposite of cringe
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As someone who has used angelion and novadrake probably longer than your total playtime, I think you should stop trying to compare the two of them. Nova can get a ton of control on the first turn with stun wave, which is something angelion cannot do unless itâs being used to soul exchange a stunner (completely different use anyway). It also can kill stuff over two times as fast as angelion. You tried comparing the times it takes for them to charge their blood moves, but that doesnât take into account how novadrake enters the field faster and can occasionally kill two targets at once or sweep with raw bloodthirst at one kill. On the other hand, angelion can completely shut down sleep and stun when given the opportunity and also remove deadweight/bring back a key mon with soul exchange. Sweeping with retribution and raw bloodfury is a nice bonus but is nothing compared to novaâs sweeping capability.
In short, novadrake is a high speed, low tu sweeper that has great control with raw bt and stun wave while angelion is meant to support powerful sweepers like novadrake. You comparing the two of them shows a crucial lack in understanding of how they function in any team.
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Luckily cyber, angel, nova is easy to copy
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Ah got it! Thanks dude 
I do not care the time you use it, for me they do the same thing differently, but the result is the same, so I stay on this point, no matter what you say, and I never said that Angel> Nova 
Thatâs too bad because angel is better than nova
Nuh uh.
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