A great shout to make. Thanks again!
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Seems like blood itās starting to reach ur brain, thanks
Youāre welcome. What convinced me was when I actually looked at the numbers of how much TU you put the enemy to sleep versus the TU you spend on the move. It varies based on how low TU the enemy is when you use the move, what their bonus is and whether theyāre accelerated/decelerated but overall the number is pretty impressive.
I never liked a few things about the sleep:
- since sleep passes 50TU now, if the monster is woken up then charm didnāt have much effect
- charm gets countered by protectors
- no other moves on Lucifelle are low TU and since it needs to be lined up for maximum effect, it canāt be utilised properly at times
But even despite those things and the fact Lucifelleās sweeping is clunky and outclassedā¦ the sleep is a great extra option for the moveset and Iām sure it plays well in practice. Itās enough to put it above some bottom tier mythics but I donāt think thereās any chance Lucifelle goes any higher than D.
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both?
but fair enough enough if you dont want to include it
Also i am a veteran and the only backstabber i have that is a legend is geomagnus.
and other than him, wraith, and exo. what is a good backstabber who is a legend/mythic?
and the super epics are good. When it comes to UC. you can use deathwarg since he is a dr if there is something you want to setup.
Sharkex and Shiny-seraz are both good in Hordes and TA
Ok, KD back to normal
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I would love to know what drugs you were on when you made this section and what veteran utilizes Fluffydra. Itās a terrible Mon that Gabrielle and Bryn both completely outclass.
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Iāve seen fluffydra once in 5 years of plaing pvp and it was in your team 
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It sounds like this is the reason you use the SEs.
Yeah 160TU plus having to kill a teammate and all at reasonably low speedā¦ what not about that is clunky and outclassed 
Itās actually a useful PvE tool. It works well with Aurodragon, can be a better option for setting up stun lock than knockback monsters in some cases, can deal with some nasty revenge monsters and itās good to build around because it brings in the next monster as it does the ultimate sacrifice. I know itās definitely not common, but Iāve used both Fluffydra and Snowhulk in PvE and PvP enough I can attest to them being worthwhile playing.
I completely agree Brynhildr outclasses them both, but thatās an S+ mythic weāre talking about and not something many people own!
Well i donāt want her op, because everyone would use her then, and thatās the good think, give a food useful to a āoutclassedā itās what keep me in this game because thatās the funny thing also when a monster marks u, when Tondeusencarton wasnāt that famous(he did spam token) a lot of ppl told me Gg thinking I was him, and if a person see Lucifelle itās an instant āoh thatās Lokiā so I donāt care about 160TU or having to kill a teammate or having low speed, itās never gonna be clunky and outclassed for me, and should be like that for everyone
Shame on duck who donāt use Focalforce anymore and u who donāt share Bryn either
People know itās you way before that, you never change your team lol
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ive seen holycow (sanctihorn? - the solo revival one anyways?) used more than fluffydra XD.
i would also suggest Apodemik. i know you have left out stun absorbers here but i feel like he is an important enough monster vs buffed to be considered aside from that.
(remember i ran a SE team in UC A while back lol. he was sometimes a game changer.)
Neko counter cat CAN be used but Its risky, same with Leomidas.
Arborgias 
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if you were to add a ārisky but useable vs buffedā sub section Iād put Neko cat, leomidas, Arborgias and the likes of the twin death sentence sleep all monsters (revenatus etc) in it.
Nereida is elite
Cryptblade and muscattus are the goats when it comes to stealing
Sacrifice reanimate guy* is his official name.
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Stratustrike was always my iconic monster that I commonly use but others donāt. Brynhildr and me only became a thing because I made it so when it wasnāt feasible for free players to awaken mythics (itās one I spent years wanting to awaken). I made a big deal about it and made it well known, but the monster is definitely not my favourite monster.
I donāt think itās good enough. Itās a one trick pony and that needs to line up with something you want to revive. A similar version is Cryptblade, which I also didnāt include. Muscattus is an even slower and less reliable version.
Also, there are plenty of legendaries/mythics which do revival way better. The obvious ones are Aurodragon and Atrahasis but thereās also Dolphariel, G.F. Jasmine (think itās that one?), Brynhildr and Orochi. There might be another one or two Iām forgetting; revival is something the Devs seem to be adding slightly more frequently now.
This is definitely one I considered, but itās extremely niche. Itās basically just for UC and even then itās both meta dependent and inconsistent.
All of these Iād say are simply too weak / unreliable for a veteran. There are too many monsters which outclass them or give similar value with higher reliability / with extra utility. Arborgias Iād say comes closest to it, since just one turn and heās like a DR monster and you could give turn for extra kills. However, it requires building around and some luck so Iād still value an actual DR monster higher.
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i think you mean āsacrifice reanimate guy*ā
spoken like a true fluffydra user. XD
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