Btw sorry for the delayed release of the second video. Last weekend, rather than editing it, I recorded commentary for all the other four videos. Next weekend I’ll release two videos instead (probably Friday and Monday). I decided not to hold back on how long I talk this year, just said what I wanted to say. A lot more insights and opinions shared this time, especially in the final video.
Maybe I’ve been way too harsh to them, you need to show me just how strong they can be! I just couldn’t see them ever working properly in PvP. They can’t kill what you want to kill, they give no control and once a few die then the whole strategy falls apart (this applies to both). Crystal Worms are way, way better.
hi @Killerdog. I’d like you to reconsider Deviladus’s placement in the general tier list.
ive been using her in this UC. she is better than i think you have given her credit for. she needs support yes, however the payoff for the right support is immense.
if you use her with a monster that can pullback she can death sentence multiple times. (I’m using her with onigeist, saintfeather would work too ig). thise death sentences remain active until she returns so you can pretty effectively protect her by simply removing her and waiting for her to enter again. once she does enter and her passive triggers she is insane. her bloodbite can still kill superbuffed monsters at uc lvl 1000+. this is also a way of passing time for her to trigger since she has hold ground (anti DR). on top of that her SS can charge her bloodbite as well for even more damage.
there are various ways of using her (obviously people know about the lemon combo), stun, sleep, shield, stealth, healing all work to support her. when you consider that she can kill multiple buffed opponents at once i think thats worth the setup.
i would place her as a PvE S Tier monster, S- at the lowest. not an S+ because of the setup required but still she’s really really undervalued as a B tier.
also in non-buffed PvE all she needs to do is use her SS and she can sweep a team with bloodbite. if you dont use it to give monsters like lucifelle or delugazar a kill for crazy sweeping.
Yeah, I used to have her in S- but moved her down a couple of months ago…
My reasoning was: you can get a lot more out of many of the higher tier mythics. Put aside the entrance for a second… bloodbite sweeping is nice, but if you look at all the A or higher mythics they all have better sweeping power (piercing, faster, etc.). She’s also a bit slow to set that up (low speed + 70TU). The healing to keep her alive doesn’t make up for it enough. So really if she’s above B tier it’s got to come from the entrance.
The entrance I found tricky to value. In the past I loved it for PvE. Easy synergy with OoO and otherwise it’s do-able to stun/sleep enemies to pass the time. What made me change my mind is now we simply have a lot of very strong things mythics can do that we don’t need to build around something to get 4 kills. If you’re building around something it can be a proper win condition, like Excaliburdragon or Exocross. Also, leaving the enemy team with certain monsters is such a key part of the game that the entrance killing them all doesn’t feel great. So I felt like it only really had a place in UC, where most other mythics don’t do enough damage.
However, I think you make a very fair point with this. Her natural ability to stick around for the 300s is definitely a thing. I was thinking 130TU healing is too slow, but it’s probably fast enough a lot of the time. So maybe she doesn’t need much building around at all for general PvE and in super buffed content you just need a bit of support. I still think some other monsters put her to shame (e.g. Onigeist) but I’m happy to move her up one tier.
but thx for listening. given your points in relation to newer monsters she probably is just lower thanks to lack of single move piercing. i still think she is probably S- tier however i will accept A tier for now.
Yeah haha 130TU base. I like to talk about them all as base TU, otherwise it gets confusing.
Yeah it’s purely because of the other monsters. I think I originally put her as S tier back when she came out. She’s a strong monster for PvE, it’s just figuring out where she stands in relation to the others that it gets tough. Also, how much weight to put on how she deals with super buffed enemies, etc.
One change of mindset I made a year or two ago with regards to UC is that top monsters for it pretty much need to give reliable value. Deviladus hinges completely on pulling off the entrance and, given the low speed, I can see her getting killed off too easily without giving you that value. I could never see myself using her in my UC team, which I’ve very carefully built to be the strongest team I think is possible. However, there are combos like with Onigeist and/or Wraithcaptain that could make her perform very well. Overall, maybe not as strong as what I do in my team, but not something I should be frowning on and downrating.