🏆 Neo Monsters tier list (see first post) 🏆

[Killerdog]

So a quick opinion on each of the new monsters not entered yet…

Mythics:
Rhinedragon - average, but perfectly fine
Mechydra - strong for PvP, offers quite a lot for the team
Ophidiator - looks like a top sweeper, perhaps better than suikenshi but needs reptile teammates, great in 2nd form
Vixian - quite weak, needs proper throw support in the team and a bit slow attacking

Legendaries:
Garden fairy hibi - average strength for a legendary but strong in GF teams and good in poison teams
Magmagund - very strong, needs to be in link fire but is the perfect stun absorber they needed and a very good sweeper when there isn’t stun

Super epics:
Archeopteron - a bit too niche case to be playable, but a fun design
Gummy dragon banana - need to see a lot more to judge properly but potentially insane with the buffed stats, if the setup is not too slow
Halodrei (s) - a budget gravity field and got a set of moves that may make it very handy in particular battles for the set up at the start (gravity field, accelerate team, protect teammates, knockback next)

Quick question… did people get to claim the Halodrei from the news? I had some connection issues at the time and don’t have it in my collection. Can’t remember if it was possible to claim there or not and I’m wondering if I need to contact support.

[cantera]

Yes. I got halodrie from news just like neoticket.

[Killerdog]

All right, thanks. Support have probably received so many emails for various things. At least my one will be an easy fix!

[Randolph]

A link fire poison endgame with mechahydra,magmagund, gorgo and pyta starting to look real good.

[lebowquade]

To those with lots 'o mythics…

What is the best monster to snag with my neoticket?
Right now the only mythic I own is XYZ (just one copy). Ignoring awakening possibilities and performance on niche teams, which one has the all-round most useful 2nd form?

Of the options they listed, I’m leaning toward Dragulus, Huskegon, Deviladus or Auraleus. But, these choices are just based on my perusal of the available 2nd form movesets. I would perhaps put Auraleus in 4th place on this list… he is good, but the lack of HG is somewhat problematic. His attack is far superior to Blazebones, but that combo of HG and overwatch means Blazebones is almost guaranteed to be able to fire off at least once. I suppose stun converter makes Auralius’ 2nd form more competitive in PVP than Blazebones.

Conversely, Novademonia, Na’Targhul, Kuraokami, and Onyxia all seem like really terrible choices. The 2nd form of each of these is bad. Novademonia in particular seems barely better than a SE?!

Mistletorment seems like a one-hit wonder (overwatch, wait for HG to trigger, then stampede an enemy), and not even a great one. Dragulus’ death revenge passive already trumps this functionality. Sukisenshi seems decent in 2nd form, but not quite as good as the “top 4” picks I listed above. For Plumesilisk I can’t quite figure how his 2nd form would be useful on a team.

Kuromasa and Arachnadiva both require a throw/sacrafice build, but I use both Moku and Razorstorm, so those choices are straight out for me. However, between the two, Kuromasa seems like the superior choice.

The only other one is Voidress, whose only available use at 2nd form is to kill 2 or 3 teammembers (and ledgendaries only!), then coast on bloodbath for the rest of the match… which is a very steep cost for something that takes a very long time to set up. Without eclipse or power slash, it’s almost your only option.

Anything I missed? We only get one of these tickets, I wanna make it count!

[BlazingStorm_alt]

@lebowquade

Mistletorment seems like a one-hit wonder (overwatch, wait for HG to trigger, then stampede an enemy), and not even a great one

Agree with that there’s literally a se which does it better.

@lebowquade

Plumesilisk I can’t quite figure how his 2nd form would be useful on a team

He’s isn’t supposed to be evolved. His first form tanks most bloodfury and that’s a really cheap for a first form mythic with no weakness because it’s taunting

@lebowquade

Kuromasa and Arachnadiva both require a throw/sacrafice build, but I use both Moku and Razorstorm, so those choices are straight out for me. However, between the two, Kuromasa seems like the superior choice.

Kuromasa is pretty niche but arachna is a lot better in terms of general because she can make protectors and sweep with it

@lebowquade

The only other one is Voidress, whose only available use at 2nd form is to kill 2 or 3 teammembers (and ledgendaries only!), then coast on bloodbath for the rest of the match… which is a very steep cost for something that takes a very long time to set up. Without eclipse or power slash, it’s almost your only option.

She’s pretty good for some pve modes so that’s a niche ig

@lebowquade

Deviladus

Can’t agree with that. She’s really bad even if you try exploiting her death sentence because you pretty much lose control after and this is 2nd form which is only slightly better than rexotyrant or not depending on circumstances

For onyxia considering 2nd form. You need to be a form to get him and that’s all I can say about him

@lebowquade

Novademonia, Na’Targhul,

Bruh they have their niche which they excel at. Naturghiul even I second form seeps greatly with fodders while novem supports pretty decently. Only recommended if you can build for their niche tho

In conclusion id rank these in :
Husky plume dragulus arachna sui voidress (pve)

I can’t rank others because they have their niche they are good at or are just bad unlike the above I ranked who are good generally

Ps - id consider dragulus arachna sui to be about the same rank

[Krur]

Does huskegon time freeze prevent stun counter, converter from getting turn from his stunning entrence?
Also plumisilisk 1 form only have 4k defence , I don’t understand how it will survive bloodfury.

[lebowquade]

Both very good questions. I dunno about the 1st one, but for the 2nd one, seems like… he wouldn’t? Plumesilisk doesn’t have HG, and bloodfury easily does 10k+ damage after one or two kills. That makes no sense at all.

Frankly a lot of his comments make no sense, I especially have no idea what he was trying to say about Onyxia. Although, comparison of Deviladus w/ Rexotyrant is very fair. I don’t have a Rexotyrant though.

Overall, I think so far I am leaning towards Huskegon. Dragulus has potential, but needs 2 kills to get going, which given his 2nd form moveset might be super tough depending on the opposing team. He does have death revenge though, so I suppose you’re guaranteed at least one kill.

[Krur]

I just read in time freeze description that it stop active give turn move. So most probably he won’t stop stun counters.
As for plumisilisk, I’ve heard many saying same thing about keeping him in 1st form , so maybe there is some reasoning behind it.

[TahsinV]

Huskie doesn’t do that.
But with huskie yous stun lock Won’t be half wrecked by a single jawshank/holudini. It basically makes the gt mons useless. So anything you can disable will be disabled for the rest of the match.

[TahsinV]

@Krur

As for plumisilisk, I’ve heard many saying same thing about keeping him in 1st form , so maybe there is some reasoning behind it.

All because of a bug. 1st form myths are somehow too tanky. Bug ofc. 1st form plume can tank bloodmoves that way. No Tactical stuff behind that. It’s just a bugged meat shield.

[Krur]

Any chance it will be fixed in future?

[TahsinV]

Don’t think so.
Friend is here to stay

[Unholy_Prem]

@lebowquade

at 2nd form is to kill 2 or 3 teammembers (and ledgendaries only!), then coast on bloodbath for the rest of the match

Is this advice for pve.
If yes then u don’t use it properly

[lebowquade]

… well then what’s the strategy?

[Unholy_Prem]

Her main job is to maintain control by killing your own teamates for the other members to do work and then leave the battlefield
U don’t want to use blood bath to ruin every single control u gained in one turn.
This was for normal pve
Now for buffed PVE
if u are going to use bloodbath Using it from the midgame / frontline is just not that good .
She works well in a camo lock team in the endgame where u keep things alive that struggle against camo and since the mons are buffed they don’t die from bloodbath.
Here is some pic of how useful she is
In this match I didn’t killed gryphking which was in mid and same with burnsalot .
I then went on killing the mons by onigiest bloodthirst.

Chapter 7 hellmode .

[BlazingStorm_alt]

@lebowquade

Plumesilisk doesn’t have HG, and bloodfury easily does 10k+ damage after one or two kills. That makes no sense at a

Thing is because of a bug first form mythics are highly tabkier than usual.
And what other of my comments makes no sense. Do you mean the ‘niche’ I spelled

[BlazingStorm_alt]

@Krur

Does huskegon time freeze prevent stun counter, converter from getting turn from his stunning entrence?

No

@lebowquade

Frankly a lot of his comments make no sense, I especially have no idea what he was trying to say about Onyxia.

Sigh I’ll just explain then. Because of his moveset his only option is to be used in OOO teams to use his aoe skill which doesn’t wake sleeping mons. But it has a really high tu coupled with the fact that it only takes 10% if total hp which is really bad. He has fatal sting which is used to hit the non sleeping mon. But the amount of time it becomes a deadweight betore and after is also another bad thing about it (even if fatal sting kills the opponent it needs to kill another to charge bloodthirst).he has stun converter but it barely helps him at all because of that moveset.

[DMGInterference]

@lebowquade

Novademonia, Na’Targhul, Kuraokami, and Onyxia all seem like really terrible choices.
Novademonia in particular seems barely better than a SE?!

Absolutely disagree with all but Onyxia.

Especially Novemdomina/Novematrona, she is a wonderful support monster.
LINK Fire has a plethora of viable monsters (like Magmarinus, Ashterios, Infernicorn, Flarevern, Pitayagon) and a monster that can Give Turn, Heal or Shield anyone of them at reduced seconds is incredibly helpful for those strategies.

But yes, I have to admit, there IS a monster that does almost the same as her but without target restrictions, with a powerful revenge effect and with an actual attack option. Vigziarid.

Kuraokami and Na’turgoul’s 2nd forms are really not that bad.
The first one is great for PvE and is basically an infinite Token generator. It’s even useable in endgame, where the Yukis can be more difficult to deal with, or with Astrogolem, which can Sacrifice Load Mortar the Yukis.
The Yukis themselves are very versatile.
Its biggest weakness is that it leaves your team wide open to getting stunned. Also the fact that he lacks firepower against the sturdiest monsters, but he usually oneshots many legendaries with no problem.

Na’turgoul/Terragoul is a perfect example of a 50sec sweeper that is actually balanced. Granted, it’s frail and needs a LOT of Rockoids, but 50sec Faststrike and Bloodcrave really make it worth running it inside its niche.
Also, nothing prevents you from bringing some tools to get rid of it, in case it overstays its welcome.
Even if, in most cases, your opponent would try to get rid of it ASAP, he’s dangerous!

[lebowquade]

Alright, I suppose Kuraokami is a lot more useful than I gave him credit for.

Honestly though, in your opinion, which one is the best all-arpund pick? Ignoring specific setups, which is the most versatile contender?