Sorry, that was a typo. I meant to say that itās nice the second form also has intimidating entrance but the moveset overall is a lot weaker because of the lower stats.
Thanks guys. A good read with very different styles.
@Phantom00 Definitely in the right ballpark with your opinions on most of that stuff. So no need to worry about being wrong because you havenāt been playing for a while! Dolphoone is the only one I think weāre focusing on different aspects. The swift cannibalise definitely isnāt for itself, itās to set up retribution. Given how the dolphins can all be tanky, the heal is potentially very nice too. Itās also worth noting that without dolphin bond the retribution move doesnāt deal enough damage a lot of the time. Countershock also struggles with things. So against mythics it stands no chance outside a dolphin setup, itās only against squishy legendaries it will feel fine. Ultimately I think it works when built around carefully but itās definitely nicheā¦ which tbh I like because I feel like thatās what the dolphins needed, rather than a S+ generic use dolphin bond monster that would make them super popular.
@NMEduck A lot of assumptions made in your analysis that we know the damage/toughness of particular monsters. It makes it very difficult for people to read and we miss out on the useful information. However, the content is obviously great and if I read between the lines I know you see this monster very similarly to meā¦ itās mostly about the TT. Iāll save my own analysis for the tier list update (and my annual video series which will be coming relatively soon) but it was nice to hear you and Sherlock talk about this monster. You picked out the TT, Sherlock picked out the fast fury. Those are definitely the two biggest aspects of this moveset and Iām confident it will be a solid top third of the tier list that will also age well. Only thing Iām particularly surprised by is you saying the second form could be tier 3. I guess itās because youāre valuing the TT highly and are worried about the damage? Fast fury is still decent in the second formā¦ weaker but decent enough for 100TU on a tanky monster that has very generic moves that easily find targets.
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I just hatch Slitherogue, is it great enough for second form? What would you guys put it in tier?
There is not much useful monster for reptile type; Sobeking and Aquamurai?
Some of the other commonly seen Reptile monsters are Throw support. Terragar, Gnashjaw, Emeraldont and even Tiamazus.
Then thereās Rocolossus and Freezecobra, Heavenshorn (underrated 5ā
) and Flocculasaurus.
I should check if the new fire legendary Magmagund is a Reptile or not, since itās a snake. Iām not sure, because monsters made of lava are generally Rock type (Magmarinus, Vulcaroth, Astrogolem)
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Vig is also a reptile
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Oh right!! The best one!
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As a fairy user, I think Lily is far worse than Hibi, healing entrance isnāt that necessary since Jasmine has autoheal, but she is great with Vengeance and most importantly, it gives Violet a longer period to use a āpiercingā 59tu G.F. bloodthirst. I agree her Painful Grab is a ā ā ā ā move due to the poison restriction but its a nice addition to the rest of the fairies 
Ahhh Vigziaria, I have been trying to hatch it many times, didnāt success tho.
Is Intimidating entrance can charge blood moves?
Yes.
Iām brand new and got Mai and Haneri, which unfortunately from a post i read, seem not to be top tier, but iām curious if anyone whoās used them can chime in, since those other posts are a couple months old
Is octospot good?
I think it holds potential. Itās held back by its low speed, but itās tanky as hell and also versatile enough to support Stealth and Poison, if needed. Low attack shouldnāt really be a problem, since Venom Sneak Attack and Poison Chomp are both moves with high damage multipliers
Mai is a slightly unusual one because its main damage move is sonic strike which in PvE is challenging to line up but in PvP what you can do is skip behind an enemy and if the opponent skips back you can kill the monster with sonic strike. It also gets stupidly tanky if you have more monsters left in the team than the enemy. In PvE this wonāt happen until later in the battle (most enemy teams have extra monsters, often up to 24) but in PvP this is best done near the start of your team or by utilising things that add stuff like rocks to the back for you to throw. To be honest, I donāt think itās worth heavily building around in that way, especially for a new player. Better to mostly use it for PvP with its sonic strike or in PvE as a healer.
Haneri is much easier to use in general. It does a powerful stun when it enters and has a move for killing stun counter/converter/immune monsters. Itās got one stun pulse to set up timestrike double but you can use it around other stun monsters (e.g. stun burst/bomb from the islands) to keep getting kills with timestrike double. Stun immune punisher will kill anything that will disrupt the stun and for stun absorbers you can simply stun them then use timestrike double to kill them. If you want to build around one of your mythics then this is the one to go for.
Neither is super powerful but donāt be disheartened because theyāre both good enough to play with. I recommend focusing on legendaries most of all because they are typically stronger than the second form mythics.
Tbh Iām not surprised to see Wilhelmina getting wildly overrated because almost everybody seems to own her now and its just human nature that we all want our stuff to be S Tier so we can convince ourselves it was a good hatch.
Iād like to say that what actually makes her good right now that she is half price. But we canāt factor that into the tier list so lets take a closer look:
1.) Sheās tanky and has medium speed. Thats alright. However, because sheās tanky two of her moves lack a punch and those are the moves who have considerably low TU + you actually want to use slayerbane because of the 59 TU so you can follow up with the TT right after that. So thatās not ideal. Her damage potential basically is completely reliant on fast fury.
2.) But the TT is what really makes her special so you almost have to use the 59 TU move on first turn. So thatās 59 TU + the mediocre entrance speed to get rid of her. Sheās tanky so its not easy but speaking from experience with my Don Rilla whoās slightly faster but has almost identical def + HP stats: Turning the SS on makes him weak to chrono killer so heās almost in the exact same situation as Wilhelmina and heās so much better without the SS. So Iām afraid since everybody knows whatās coming if you donāt kill her, people will just nuke her down.
3.) The passive is an amazing counter to rock lock but I think it wont have any impact because of the wavetail effect. Despite the fact that wavetail wasnāt very common in the end, the amount of Ret FLs suddenly was reduced by almost 80 % by the sheer fear of the possibility to meet wavetail with a Ret FL. Same will happen with Wilhelmina. Her existence alone will reduce the amount of RL Teams played. Those who will still play will have effective counters like Bastia or KBN prepared. So her passive is amazing for refreshing the meta but it doesnāt really boost her rating on the tier list.
This was a very critical review but it was critical on purpose because we already have seen quite a few heavily biased reviews.
All in All I canāt see her being S Tier. If you look at S- you have the likes of Gremo, Husky, Fiona, and Y Draig. Sheās definitely not on that level. Sheās in the upper half of A Tier and thatās great for a half price mythic 
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I agree with that, I donāt think that the SS will be worth it if you want to use her as a sweeper too, sheāll be gunned down quickly with chrono weakness
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Also remember that its a dark type so it wonāt fit in most link teams (unlike Fiona, Y, Husky)
Retribution actually does pretty good damage. That means you can use retribution as the first move in order to kill a monster so you can survive until the second form. I agree with intimidating entrance being overrated
I strongly disagree with Gremoris being in S- tier. Also Fiona sucks
Tbh thatās not the issue, since retribution and fast fury are both 100TU so you will just default to fast fury in most cases. Itās the damage of slayerbane that matter most since that is the fast skill.
Also, Fiona is underrated (except in this tier list)
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new player and i got lime, kunomi, and asmodia, which unfortunatelyā¦ seem utterly horrible on the tier list 
ā¦ is there any use for them at all?