🏆 Neo Monsters tier list (see first post) 🏆

[Killerdog]

I’d say there’s actually one even bigger reason it’s so popular… stun absorber.

Arbustodon is front line stun protection that gives you an aggressive start to the battle against most top teams. Almost everyone wants to run some form of stun protection in their front line and Arbustodon is a very easy choice for that if you’re playing in the top level of PvP. Couple that with how an aggressive, high speed FL is very easy and effective to play so it’s a popular strategy and you have Arbustodon being extremely popular.

I do fully appreciate its power but also how it’s not guaranteed and it has one very specific role. All the other S+ legendaries I feel are very deserving of their slot even though a couple are not chosen by people with large accounts (Novadrake, Padrinorca, Galvbishamon) and a couple are hidden gems (Elemphox, Rosegeist). So I’ve been very hesitant to put something like Arbustodon in there due to its unreliability. I’m someone with a big account who frequently plays waifu and even in my battles I find I sometimes make it fairly useless on the battlefield. However, there are also many times it’s a huge problem.

There are similar reasons for why other monsters are in the tiers they are. For example, Mortilys is insanely powerful, but requires very specific setups (i.e. you need to own certain monsters) and has an element of unreliability to it… so it’s S tier rather than S+.

Anyway, I’m rambling but the final point I wanted to make is I’ve tried not to make the tier list just reflect the top level of PvP. However, I do think Arbustodon is great enough in that setting to go ahead and put it in S+ even though the vast majority of players should probably avoid it. I guess I should respect that players will be smart enough to understand that nuance when they look at the tier list.

[Cesar]

@Killerdog

Je ne sais pas si l’on peut vraiment s’attribuer le mérite de la conception d’Arbustodon. Ce monstre est un poids mort en plus d’être un mangeur d’hommes, tandis que Leogeist est excellent lorsqu’on le laisse tranquille.

@Killerdog

Cependant, je pense qu’Arbustodon est suffisamment performant dans ce contexte pour le placer en S+

. It’s still the same ■■■■, he hasn’t changed in the meantime to consider him as s+

[Killerdog]

I’m sorry, I don’t understand your point.

The quote you pulled from a year ago was talking about Leogeist where Mr.X was saying it should get man eater to become good. He used Arbustodon as an example of how it would be fine to put on Leogeist. My comment you quoted was me saying that the only good move Arbustodon has is raw man eater so it’s not a fair comparison to Leogeist, that will always be a threat after a bit of time.

That conversation has nothing to do with whether Arbustodon is worthy of S+. I tried to make clear in my last post that one of the big reasons I haven’t put it S+ previously was because it’s only worthy of S+ for top level PvP play.

Everyone will look at the tier list from their own perspective and what they think has the most power/value to them with their play style, collection, etc. These factors vary greatly between people and I have always tried to balance that in the exact tier list positions. I expect people to use their own judgement when they read it. It is not as simple as S+ > S, anything in the three S tiers could be just as good. However, go any more than 1-2 tiers apart then there should be a clear difference in power level or where the lower monster is only good in a particular setup.

[Killerdog]

I’ve added the new monsters into the tier list. See the details here:

Tier list change log

New Additions Update [Rinmu] Rinmu goes in at D for PvE, A for PvP, second form tier 2 and D for HP boost, with a very powerful entrance that should push back multiple enemies, this is basically an alternative to a stunner that can’t really be countered. I personally don’t think the moveset is strong, sinful bloom will have problems against entrance / high speed monsters and unless you have a teammate with a low TU attack / auto-poison then you might have to waste an attack to finish the enemy …

[Cesar]

Lol. You literally said Arbus was a dw and Leo was an effective monsterif he is ignored for long.

[Killerdog]

Forget the phrase “dead weight” for a second. The context is comparing two stun protection monsters. So if you take their passives out of the equation and just look at the moveset… Leogeist’s moves make it always good with time whereas Arbustodon is useless other than raw maneater. That’s what I was saying. Understand it now?

Let me try once more:
The topic of conversation was about Leogeist, not Arbustodon, and specifically about how Leogeist’s moveset would be if it had “crescendo man eater”. Mr.X was claiming it would be totally fine and not overpowered, bringing up Arbustodon as an example because it isn’t overpowered. Then I was pointing out Arbustodon has nothing else in its moveset, whereas Leogeist has a pretty solid moveset already.

[The_bondqueror]

Sir @Killerdog I can’t help to notice why there is no runeconqueror in the mythic tier list🥹 Isnt it valid to also include them or I am missing some restrictions in the list🥹

[Coltraz]

I don’t think Moths and Rune belong with myths.

[Killerdog]

It isn’t possible to use by itself. It is only created by another monster. The same is true for the moths and Lionheart which all have a mythic form, but also all the token monsters like Maggatoid and A-Corn.

I’ve tried to take a practical approach to these things, like how Elemphox holy and shadow are treated as completely different monsters.

[The_bondqueror]

@Killerdog

It isn’t possible to use by itself.

THANK YOUUU this answers it!!

[lebowquade]

The thalazaar thing is just silly. Should have made each iteration have 20% less chance to clone than the parent.

[Draconis]

@Killerdog Can you please give a short analysis on Valzareign buff?

[Killerdog]

I will do, got a lot I need to get through so I’m not going to do specific things early unless people really need it

[NoelLemon2]

Please wait a month at least. There is a lot to consider, more units are coming real soon, and people are underestimating a lot monsters. Next season of pvp will reveal a lot.

[lebowquade]

Can I make the suggestion of promoting mechangelion to S+ for PvE? That thing is just nuts.

The ability to be both a top tier support piece (with healing rain) and also a top tier sweeper (with nemesis annihilate and double bloodcrave) means he essentially always has something to do. Plus stun protection, team stealth, piecing revenge killing, and piercing protector killing.

He’s just so versatile. He may not be the fastest myth, but I find that he fits seamlessly into an important role on nearly every team strategy I come up with– as opposed to, say, Nyx or Mechydra or Zephyramus that more or less have a specific purpose you can’t really stray tooooo far from. And also different from, say, selene or carmilla who are just straight-up murder-factories that can pretty much be plopped anywhere and do their own thing.

Which is not to say he needs building around, because you can just plop him into a random team with pretty good results as well. But he just has so much broad combo potential that I find he is incredibly useful in addition to being quite powerful.

[Killerdog]

You pretty much described exactly why I put it in S tier for PvE. I absolutely love it and it plays brilliantly but I don’t feel like it’s quite a win condition by itself, which is how many of the S+ mythics feel.

Exactly what to value and by how much you can put a lot of monsters either +1 or -1 tier to their current position. Any nuance isn’t possible to express with tiers alone. Any mythic in the S tiers for PvE is brilliant.

[CFNDevilmoon007]

The first thing I want to clarify is that this is not a criticism; I am grateful to those who spend their time trying to use their knowledge to help other players.

I also understand that these Tiers are based on personal opinions, just like the one I will give now is merely a personal opinion.

I also understand that a multitude of criteria are taken into account when making these lists. Versatility, the positions they play in, dependence on the rest of the team, etc., and that’s fine.

My suggestion is that when making a Tier List, you take into account the best use of each monster, meaning:

I perfectly understand the reason why Pandora has been placed so low (In the absence of VIP 5 or higher, she loses 42 TU and 1 allied monster at the start), however, both she and a large number of monsters placed in this tier, I believe, should be re-evaluated based on their best function.

Monsters like Kumachi, Majorie, Sepheris, Cypridus, Obsidya, among others, I believe you are being very unfair to them, since a Kumachi spamming entries is very annoying, to give just one example.

Another case that caught my attention is Soral being positioned so well. I repeat, I understand the criteria taken into consideration, as he is a mythical that doesn’t depend on anything, however, he hasn’t been competitively at the level of others who were unfairly placed very low for quite some time.

PD: (My English is very bad and used translator )

[Destro]

dude im stuck between redeeming CHRISTINA and ASMODIA in neo ticket (red), mainly PVE use. im f2p and mostly this would be the only mythic that i can get for forseeable future. who should i redeem for and if there is ANOTHER MYTHIC that can be redeemed thats great for PVE.

[Killerdog]

@CFNDevilmoon007

I perfectly understand the reason why Pandora has been placed so low

This placement is actually a mistake. I somehow didn’t factor in just how fast her sweeping is (~70TU) so even in the absence of the P2W Boxchomp is a significant threat if you can’t kill each Boxchomp as it’s made (a 42s window to do that is small). I will rectify that soon.

@CFNDevilmoon007

Kumachi, Majorie, Sepheris, Cypridus, Obsidya, among others

Majorie has just been buffed and will be going up.

The others… I can’t see much reason to move them. Everything is relative so something has to be at the bottom. I agree Kumachi can be annoying constantly spawning extra monsters but it’s more a nuisance than it is actually strong when it’s in high level PvP, similar to Kuraokami. I’m not sure if what Kumachi does can even be a plan for a winning strategy even if sometimes she helps.

@CFNDevilmoon007

Another case that caught my attention is Soral being positioned so well

Mine too, although I don’t think I noted it in the first post as one I plan to move. It’s going down. I think I held it higher for its synergy with the many entrance monsters and how it’s protection from disabling things like token disruption or sleep while also smoothing out your team by removing dead weight. It’s a monster that has definitely proven itself in the past but its low speed is what makes it less reliable and a bit less flashy. Vixian or Cinder are perhaps better choices for this kind of role in a team. It should be a solid mid-tier mythic I think.

Please point out anything you think doesn’t look right and share your opinion. It’s very useful having extra input!

[Chaevin2]

Is it me the only one that think Carmillet should’ve been at least -S or A?