Oh i soley just mentioned it because of boxlock as players are using the fact that second form and evolved form does exactly the same thing to save on cost
Still got double repulse to bring in the boxes and still delivers 2 boxes then it gets backbiten
Oh yeah for that combo itās very useful. Iāll add it to my little list
@Killerdog What are you waiting for to rank the goat keiser? His nerf ? This is the most powerful archetype support monster in the game. It does its job perfectly, itās a monster .It must be placed in the closed circle of the S+ level
I donāt know why you leave lancerat at S level itās cosmic trash.
Cyclophina is the most powerful endgame monster in the game ahead of harleking, she is not S but S+.
Yup Keiser S+ and Cyclophina S+ are lined up for when I next do a tier list update. I intend to get one done before the anniversary.
Sir. Lancerat is still great. You can pretty much get a free 80s for your team so itās in a similar realm to Deathgazer but for non-poison teams
Cool 
humm. I still prefer nagandia
Asmodia
Orochi
Gorgodrake
Those three are top S+ the best endgame in the game.
Satomi A+,her needs buff
Tier list updates have become essays, especially when itās doing stuff built up over 5 months. For anyone who reads through all that, I hope you enjoyed it 
Explain this a bit more for me. She seems far to circumstantial to me to be S+ sanguine skill is nice and all but its still like 160 seconds before she can do anything threatening. And with her speed very little is gonna be faster than her to set her up turn 1. (I do mostly see her in fl tho so who knows maybe you are right when she enters later in the match)
I did thanks! 
I went back and forth on Carmillette a lot. Initially I thought sheād be S-, but the more I thought about her and compared her to other monsters the more she stood out. Sheās one of the hardest to kill monsters in the game, having the two most defensive passives. Her healing move is far, far better than Carmillaās because it is always guaranteed to full heal and taking off 50% no questions asked is very handy while also healing and is surprisingly efficient as a fail case for damage dealing. Sheās also insanely good at countering protectors and sleep monsters because trying to kill her before she gets a turn when she enters is very challenging to line up. Most of the time if you have something she counters then sheās going to get the two kills as soon as she enters.
Yeah FL she is less reliable. You either use her there for the specific countering or you put her further back in the team to get more benefit out of her. Her high speed makes her super good for the mid-game.
Looking at the fact a guy using zep top 10 this season shows how strong zep can be. Same with mavea, with new supports she is excellent. So A and C is too much low tier for them. Also, orca should be put down to S or S- as itās damage is so less and can be killed easily. I also donāt understand why void is A tier? Obsydia is also obvious S, she can disrupt heavly.
Crazy how many people underrated this guy initially (not that I didnāt either after the Wooloid fiasco) but I did think he was an above average stun absorber for not having a weakness and punishing the opponent for killing it but I didnāt think hellish shriek would be itās ultimate skill. Beautiful monster so Iām okay with it being meta.
Low tiers doesnāt mean they canāt be used to get top 10. In the right setup you can make a lot of monsters perform very well. A tier also isnāt low at allā¦ just look at how stacked that tier is with mythics you commonly see in top teams and they perform well.
Itās a complex monster, like a lot that have come out this year. Thereās a few dimensions to it that arenāt immediately obvious like how you can put teammates to +0 entrance speed and hellish shriek is infinite use so you can chain the first shriek into more if you put all your teammates behind the enemies. My initial reaction was āThis looks too unreliable but Iām sure someone will break itā and then when I realised itās easier to do than I thought it dawned on me just how broken it might be.
The best combo I can think to do with it right now is: Mortilys, Bastia, Kuromasa, Gabrielle.
What you do is sweep all four enemies and your monsters are high enough TU to be behind all the enemies that you can hellish shriek to push them back enough to do the same again and Bastia blocks all potentially annoying entrances. You can also adjust move TU to make them similar enough that they all get a turn pretty much together, rather than one or two being behind enemies (increase TU on Gabrielle and Bastia so itās 160TU for both and 170TU on Kuromasa).
If you can pull that off twice reliably thatās half a team gone, youāve probably got the win guaranteed, but you could potentially chain it further.
So I have a feeling people will use it like this and the monster will need to get nerfed like making hellish shriek single-use.
WTF no
No
No lmao
I saw you
I edited to where it said you were quoting from (Twighoul). Thanks for correcting it to quote Voidress. Simply āS- ā A in PvPā made no sense as a quote
Lol
Hadeshoof needs some damage buff and his piercing should reflect less damage and deals more damage
finally the recognition it deserves! next you might look at my boi Doomengine! I ask you to consider its PvP value too. ever since the poison immunity its actually been surprisingly good on the occasions ive used it in pvp. (though those are limited as is my pvp. i just think it has a bad reputation as a meh performer when actually its kind of similar to mons like Tardigrenade which are really good in the right setup but often avoided for clunkiness).
One other point id like to bring up. i think you might be overvaluing the Karma Chain guy in PvE. he is very good but i dont think he is top tier. im actually surprised that you rate a monster with conditionally restrictive moves so highly when usually you are pretty critical of them.
@Killerdog I seriously think you need to look at the Dās.