It can be Callibalized though, from Azrazael for example. Although Talo is better for that.
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Oh now I understood what u are talking about thx
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change basic aoe appolo to"double counter strike "and taloknight āstun absorberā.I think they will be good monster
Dude no
Double Counter strike with that speed will be a pain
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I hate the idea of buffing DR monsters, but I do like the idea of a DR Stun Absorbers to annoy Raizen front liners! Iām in.
Apollorexās idea is atrocious though. Double Counter Strike at such a high speed is a huge mistake.
I think he should get a new passive too, but I canāt come up with any on top of my head.
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What about Apollo having double survivor
Link Drain survivor +
Smugsmodia already explained it but in the past these were actually considered by many to be among the top tier monsters. I never saw them as this good and the meta has changed so we donāt want to play them but theyāre reasonably good for certain front lines. I think itās a good point bringing them up thoughā¦ weāve now got a few monsters that outclass them completely for setting up FL combos.
Yeah, itās a fan favourite but itās a relic from the past.
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Shiny Talo makes Apollo useless
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Yes I understood now smugsmodia really explained well
Heās the highest speed Retribution and the highest speed Cannibalize. Just look at @Tanbeerās FL.
Heāll always have a place, expecially now that he got buffed. Iām not arguing that heās top tier, but with his combo potential there is no doubt in my mind that heās high tier.
Consider him closely with your next update, because honestly he makes no sense down there.
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Stun revenge kills it.
Canishogun has much higher speed and galliodragon also has crazy combo potential but it is still in D tier.
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There are plenty of other monsters which can do the same at lower cost or with a better moveset to go with it. The only advantage I think Ziberius truly brings to the table is insomnia
Thatās basically Haniwel, not Galliodragon
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Donāt they both make the combo work?
Nightrider had that combo for years at just a tiny bit lower speed but nobody ever saw that as crazily powerful and something that should put Nightrider high in the tier list.
I prefer to rate things on the enablers more. The monsters which benefit from it maybe move up a tiny bit from it but the general idea in the tier list is monsters perform better than the tier theyāre placed in if they have a specific combo.
Thatās similar with Ziberiusā¦ itās E tier but can be used in some specific teams effectively.
Not anymore.
I forgot about Canishogun. Itās true heās faster, but also single hitting and, well, heās top tier for a reason.
Gallio has combo potential only with Haniwei as far as I know, and that combo is very fragile as any amount of camo will kill it. Plus even when it works you get a 2 monster advantage and good momentum, which is good, but also not the best.
If youāre talking about the fire SE, remember that Ziber has more versatility. If needed he can change plans and Double Retribution for 136tu anytime, or even Blizzard All if the opponent plans to stall out the game.
If youāre talking Retribution monsters, Canishogun and Jaguardian are undoubtedly better, but Ziber can also work with them if you want 2 (or even 3) high speed Retributions.
And nobody can do both.
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Not with that attitude.
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Camo doesnāt kill it, anything that prevents my next four monsters from entering with shields kills it. So either kill haniwel, have something that is fast enough to go in between haniwel, bypass bomboid, or have an auto poisoner in reinforcements. Camo helps but it doesnāt kill it unless there is a lot. The monster advantage isnāt nearly as important as the control you gain when your next monsters enter all at the same time.
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